Guido Günther @agx@librem.one

@dan …if you can control the messaging protocols of people you talk to. That often works but not always.

(If we could all have agreed on XMPP 10y ago the world would maybe be a better place 😃 )

@julianfairfax @deedend @devrtz @purism (what you call) "Bigger players" are just slow. They will adapt eventually as the toolkits bubble up.

@claudi awesome! Glad it's working for you and thanks for sharing the details so others can follow in your footsteps.

@julianfairfax @deedend @devrtz @purism

Linux wasn't a "desktop" platform to begin with either so that argument doesn't make sense.

Linux is what we make out of it by contributing to the solution. The Linux kernel has the capability to run well on mobile. We have mobile shells and adaptive toolkits and devices that can run them well. We need to continue to grow the app ecosystem and work on infrastructure bits sure but this very thread proves that this is happening at a nice pace.

@deedend @devrtz @purism I'd try https://forums.puri.sm/ . I've also posted a message to the community/librem5 matrix channel linking to this post

@julianfairfax @deedend @devrtz @purism Both webkit (used in epiphany / GNOME Web) and chromium engines target mobile so while I prefer native apps too we shouldn't overlook that years of optimization for mobile went into these browser engines so they can run efficiently on phones. So I'd not dismiss webapps so easily.

@julianfairfax @deedend @devrtz @purism hydrogen works well for matrix and resource usage is o.k. in chromium. I've heard similar things for signal.

Also "neither are ready" needs references on what's missing - it depends on usage pattern. Native apps like flare or chatty are making good progress. Also if it's not an option for you it might be an option for others.

It also depends on how important a switch is for someone (I myself just can't imagine running around with an Android phone).

@chanon @deedend @devrtz @purism Wikipedia says 15mm and that's pretty accurate. It never was 1inch - in wonder where these numbers come from?

@deedend @devrtz @purism Australia is big but I know there's folks there with Librem 5s so maybe a meetup style thing is possible at one point.

@wandy_dev

Only downside is that the keyboard doesn't unfold itself due to the lack of text-input-unstable-v3 in chromium but unfolding via button works.

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@wandy_dev Regarding webapps: Have you tried chromium? I usually:

- use the "Install <site>…" from within chromium
- Add "--enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland" to the desktop file in .local/share/applications
- launch the webapp and (if needed) open phosh-mobile-settings to "enable scale to fit" for this particular webapp

Although setup is cumbersome it
it gives me good performance.

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@deedend @devrtz @purism I encourage everyone to try PureOS on the Librem 5 to judge daily usability of the Librem 5 and if it's "the time yet".

One shouldn't draw that conclusion by looking at other devices (running other distros).

A single missing one line line patch or broken driver can considerably mess up daily usability.

@Dragon @junocomputers I thinks it's fine to charge for the fact that you need to make adaptions to run Linux fine. It's also fine to charge because you offer product support (including the software you put on it).

I really like to see well supported Linux first devices, that's why I think it's important to get this right. Otherwise we'll stay stuck in the "only for geeks" corner.