ruff @ruff@librem.one

@sam what is the main differentiator - gnu-less or bsd userland?

@jcbrand How 'bout tam? eg. https://www.deezer.com/us/album/122683

@rizzn It will lock itself out after three though

@marcel_kolaja Of course, if one requires a test, one must provide a test. Otherwise it's a political corruption.

@benis @Columbkille @kyle Yea, that's a known defect in current world release, will hopefully be fixed soon with next hotfix.

@benis But you didn't tell anything, you just made a question to @Columbkille and @kyle ;)

@benis @Columbkille @kyle Ah, ok, i'm with you

@benis @Columbkille @kyle That's a remarkable note. I'll write it down to express the level of FUD spreading around.

@keverets @kyle What I mean is - if you say Jabber to common enterprise folks, max they would think of is Cisco Jabber UC solution (if they are not that much technical) or MS Teams federation services (if they are deep in this business). But when you tell them telegram, viber, whatsup - they won't have a second thought. Otherwise (just fyi) - I'm tightly following xmpp council and maintaining some legacy xmpp products.

@kyle XMPP lives its own life, just not as open standard but rather as simple framework for proprietary enterprise messaging/voice protocols. Cisco, Microsoft, Zoom - name a few more - all use XMPP and SIP as a foundation for their voice/media solutions.

@agx @dos I think it will be easier to move to the new house. Those furry balls have sharp claws and teeth. And vindictive temper.

@mntmn And do I understand it right that only then local store will be re-stocked? (sorry I've missed those several seconds when it was stocked a week ago, only managed to fill the basket).

@mntmn Or from any other soviet republic, they were all alike in USSR.

@mntmn Nice flat panel tv-set in the background.

@exalm@floss.social Aesthetically I like flat more, but from usability perspective bordered look more convincing (a control rather than graphic). Maybe it'll change with the time of using flats, dunno. cannot vote therefore.

@jcbrand I disagree, it's not always obvious what exactly cookie is collecting without actually tracking the trackers, which is tedious work. Now it's quite clear who's attracting users for a traffic and who for a content.

@jcbrand tbh I have no complains in this regard (probably one of few) on Eurocrats. I'm actually glad they're forced everyone to reveal their data trading habbits. But I have plenty of complains on implementors (content providers) in the way the force me out of their sites. Well, good riddance after all.

@jcbrand @z428 @echo_pbreyer
Technically you don't even need e2ee for self-hosted xmpp as long as you don't care about messaging with external accounts (eg family only). Since you own server and hence encryption keys of both legs of communication. You only need to protect then data at rest (eg host it at home).

@jcbrand yes, even blocked it in my dns so that I don't accidently log in with some client which still caches the profile, when I returned to it in 2013 I found it just restored my _deleted_ account.

@jcbrand Did it twice. Once around circa 2012 when twitter was going to enforce personal detail collection (versus opt-in). Second around 2016 when I hit the threshold of what you described in OT.