I remember when it seemed like the open chat standard XMPP "won" 15 years ago when Google Talk adopted it. It seemed like maybe the bad old days of proprietary chat protocols were over.
Google of course abandoned XMPP and later 5 or so other chat protocols. Today the messaging world is a mess of proprietary protocols and networks all reinventing the same wheels.
@kyle or will Fuschia find its way into the Google graveyard quickly? I often wonder how these things really impact those of us for whom the early 2000s really did contain “the year of LoTD”. Any thoughts on what it is we regular users of Linux stand to lose in a world where Fuschia is on a homerolled microkernel?
@ajmartinez It's a good question. Given the incompatibilities that are already there between Android and the Linux desktop maybe it won't matter all that much for folks like us. It will likely impact the projects that aim to create a fully free software, Google-less version of Android the most.
@kyle that was kind of my feeling as well. This isn’t the first new thing that will change everything and replace Linux that we’ve seen come and go.
I doubt that Desktop Linux is going to go away.
- Chromebooks have Linuxy stuff on them, and Windows 10 has Linuxy stuff on it... \
Seems that Linuxy stuff is still going to be a common denominator.
As soon as Fuchsia is working, it'll get killed off. 😜 🤦♂️
@randynose @kyle many likely are still waiting for the year of LoTD to arrive though some of us have been doing it for more than a decade. The set of things released and then killed by Google is impressive. Only time will tell if Fuschia makes it on that list.
@kyle XMPP lives its own life, just not as open standard but rather as simple framework for proprietary enterprise messaging/voice protocols. Cisco, Microsoft, Zoom - name a few more - all use XMPP and SIP as a foundation for their voice/media solutions.
@ruff @kyle the open standard is still there, used, and improving. Follow projects like #SnikketIM or jmp.chat and you'll find communities that are active and doing interesting things to grow XMPP.
@keverets @kyle What I mean is - if you say Jabber to common enterprise folks, max they would think of is Cisco Jabber UC solution (if they are not that much technical) or MS Teams federation services (if they are deep in this business). But when you tell them telegram, viber, whatsup - they won't have a second thought. Otherwise (just fyi) - I'm tightly following xmpp council and maintaining some legacy xmpp products.
You sometimes hear people say Linux (and by extension Open Source) "won" because of how ubiquitous it is in Android phones and IoT devices.
Yet today's release of Google's new OS Fuchsia on Nest devices points to a future where Linux is left behind. This is a future where the dominant OSes on devices are Fuchsia, iOS, and Windows.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/google-launches-its-third-major-operating-system-fuchsia/