I remember when it seemed like the open chat standard XMPP "won" 15 years ago when Google Talk adopted it. It seemed like maybe the bad old days of proprietary chat protocols were over.

Google of course abandoned XMPP and later 5 or so other chat protocols. Today the messaging world is a mess of proprietary protocols and networks all reinventing the same wheels.


You sometimes hear people say Linux (and by extension Open Source) "won" because of how ubiquitous it is in Android phones and IoT devices.

Yet today's release of Google's new OS Fuchsia on Nest devices points to a future where Linux is left behind. This is a future where the dominant OSes on devices are Fuchsia, iOS, and Windows.


If computers on chips where accessible here, in Brasil (they are over half of our minimum wage, and around three times the amount that millions of families are recieving as aid in this war against Sars-Cov-2),
I’d buy one or two per month and give away.

If they cost around R$50,00, I could easily offer free workshops about OSs and networking where people would get to take their computers home.

Unfortunately, people here have no idea what an Operating System is, and use words like app/cellphone/zap/internet all as interchangeable.

They think WhatsApp is an essential part of mobile telephony, and that its great that telcoms offer “free WhatsApp” (even though Net Neutrality is guaranteed by law, only disrespected).

@kyle Along with proprietary modifications and extensions by manufacturers who will no longer be able to be persuaded to release their modifications that enable projects like LineageOS and postmarketOS.

@kyle that's really far fetched. Fuschia isn't much better and their crazy liscensing makes it impossible to develop for. Or the Google goon squad of laweyers will getya. Lie they did my friend. Can't have success based on a culture of abject cruelty.

@kyle or will Fuschia find its way into the Google graveyard quickly? I often wonder how these things really impact those of us for whom the early 2000s really did contain “the year of LoTD”. Any thoughts on what it is we regular users of Linux stand to lose in a world where Fuschia is on a homerolled microkernel?

@ajmartinez It's a good question. Given the incompatibilities that are already there between Android and the Linux desktop maybe it won't matter all that much for folks like us. It will likely impact the projects that aim to create a fully free software, Google-less version of Android the most.

@kyle that was kind of my feeling as well. This isn’t the first new thing that will change everything and replace Linux that we’ve seen come and go.

@ajmartinez @kyle

I doubt that Desktop Linux is going to go away.
- Chromebooks have Linuxy stuff on them, and Windows 10 has Linuxy stuff on it... \
Seems that Linuxy stuff is still going to be a common denominator.

As soon as Fuchsia is working, it'll get killed off. 😜 🤦‍♂️

@randynose @kyle many likely are still waiting for the year of LoTD to arrive though some of us have been doing it for more than a decade. The set of things released and then killed by Google is impressive. Only time will tell if Fuschia makes it on that list.

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