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@bemmesr For sure, keeping the truth as the goal takes discipline and is easy to mess up.

@bemmesr based on Mastodon, though they've been blocked by a number of servers due to allowing mostly free speech or something. I remember the whole rigmarole where people were trying to get them widely defederated.
You need to be in STEM to join Qoto though, I think....

@bemmesr I feel like debate fits forum-style social media... but the problem is, which platform? I know that there are Fediverse alternatives to Reddit (Lemmy and Kbin) but I've never been on those, so I can't vouch for them.

There's qoto.org. Might be worth a try. On their page, they advertise themselves as a place for civil discussion. They have a post limit of 65,535 chars (as opposed to the typical Mastodon 500), so they're better fit for bigger discussions. They federate and their code is

@ProgressiveLurker @TomSwirly @GeePawHill Mastodon is chockful of micro-celebrities huffing and puffing beyond their reach.

@ColinTheMathmo I answered Even, though I'm pretty sure it is technically / officially(?) considered neither even nor odd.

I think I usually think of even and odd being two patterns, where if you add or subtract 2 you get a number from the same pattern. Like, even and odd numbers are every other integer number, and since we are saying 'every other' integer, there are two patterns (interleaved).

Been having a discussion, and thought I'd have a quick poll. Please boost to get this beyond my bubble.

Is zero:

@bemmesr But I'm learning that arguing, for humans, is fundamentally a cooperative process: both parties need to be striving for the *truth*, or else the process is highly unreliable.
These are my thoughts. Don't let me tell you what to do :) [2/2]

@bemmesr I have a text file on my phone with things I'm learning about arguing with people who might suddenly reveal themselves to be arguing in bad faith and you don't know when or if ever. Part of it: "When it is time to disappear: when you reach the point of no return, where you realize they are arguing in bad faith or are unreasonable or not listening. Stop then."
I mean, in this case, they blocked you so I suppose it's different. [1/2]

@bemmesr I'd like to point out, if I may, that microblogging platforms in general are pretty allergic to civil discourse. As far as I can tell, Mastodon has much less of a reputation of being this way, but it still has a problem, epecially when arguing against something left-wing.

@bemmesr I read your reply. Poor form indeed on his part. I encounter these people sometimes when just debating politely and in good faith; they're definitely around the place here.

They then state that 1,287 megawatt hours is enough to power 120 average US homes for a year. According to housegrail.com/how-many-houses there were more than 140 million houses in the US in 2020. Thus, the energy cost of training one LLM represents roughly 3/35000 of a percent of the energy used by all homes in the US in a year.

I'm trying to argue that the energy consumption of AI is comparable and perhaps even smaller than basic household amenities. That's to say, we should be willing to accept such an amount of energy consumption if we are already accepting it elsewhere. I think your mock interpretation of my viewpoint reveals some strong ideological oppositions you have to AI, besides the energy consumption alone.

@jonny AI is just the latest ”no code” vibe cycle.

Every 10-15 years someone comes in declaring: ”Programming is dead! From now on we only write specifications in a language anybody can understand.”

But it always hits the same problem: Natural language is not good for describing systems of deterministic formal logic. If it was, we’d not have had to invent symbolic mathematic notation, flowcharts, etc to describe them.

The cycle might yield a new #programming language.

Another #LiteraryQuote from the same work:

There are no nouns in Tlön's conjectural Ursprache, from which the "present" languages and the dialects are derived: there are impersonal verbs, modified by monosyllabic suffixes (or prefixes) with an adverbial value. For example: there is no word corresponding to the word "moon,", but there is a verb which in English would be "to moon" or "to moonate." "The moon rose above the river" is hlor u fang axaxaxas mlo, or literally: "upward behind the onstreaming it mooned."

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@rl_dane Wow. No nouns, kinda verbs-only? Maybe like physics, right? E=mc^2 ?

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