Hans-Christoph Steiner @eighthave@librem.one
Joined Aug 2019
@santiago @ilumium hmm, I don't think that's entirely true. Google makes a lot of money at very high profit margins from Google Play. They are not DMA compliant, they just have a very different strategy than Apple. #Android started how being open source to attract developers, so Google built their monopoly upon a more open platform. To do so, they've mastered dark patterns, nudging, and security as monopoly enforcement integrated into the best tech in key areas (e.g. search).
@haubles @andydavies @neil thanks, I've read through those already, and it is still difficult for me to say what data about deb.debian.org Fastly actually keeps and for how long. Here are the policies of some other Debian mirrors, which are much simpler but perhaps leave out a couple key details like what log format they use.
* https://ftp.lysator.liu.se/datahanteringspolicy.txt
* https://plug-mirror.rcac.purdue.edu/info.html
* https://mirror.fcix.net/policy/
* https://mirror.ossplanet.net/
Feels a little funny to be sympathic to #Google's point of view in the #DMA compliance workshop when some of the advertising industry lobbyists ask questions. From what I've seen, Google is less crappy than the average ad tech company when it comes to privacy, so I really hope the DMA does not open us up to more crappy ad tech companies.
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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In collaboration with @fdroidorg, the @fsfe prepared a study for the Japanese Competition Authority HDMC on how Apple's plans to comply with the #DMA represent a risk for #FreeSoftware and #DeviceNeutrality.
Key recommendations: 👇
- Full and unfettered side-loading
- No distribution via DRM encryption
- No residency or credit requirements for
3rd party app stores
- No interoperability request forms
- More competition on trustworthiness
https://download.fsfe.org/device-neutrality/fsfe-apple-report-final.pdf
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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#Sideloading apps and using alt stores like #Flathub is a major feature of elementary OS and a competitive edge over closed platforms that only let you install apps from a locked down store. In this release we’ve made several improvements to smooth out the experience of using alt stores based on your feedback and the latest #CrossPlatform standards.
@LeoBistmans interesting to hear, do you get any feedback or errors?
So maybe #PlayServices is a special case here, maybe not. But all of the apps that #Google requires to be in the bundle do not require special privileges, so can easily be built into Android devices in a way where they are easily uninstallable, e.g. disabled and deleted. I'm thinking Maps, Gmail, etc.
After 2018, #Google stopped publishing data about malware coming via sideloading. Today in the #DMA workshop they made big claims that sideloading is much more likely to be malware. Since they are making claims based on that, they should again release that publicly.
https://transparencyreport.google.com/android-security/overview
@f15h XIII. Art. 6(3) B.1 23. ...Google Android allows users to uninstall apps by: (i) fully deleting apps that are downloaded or pre-installed in a Google Android device's user partition; and (ii) disabling apps in a Google Android device's system partition such that they are returned into an uninstalled state.
#Google says #PlayServices is not part of the OS but then do not allow users to actually uninstall it. At the same time, they say that they won't let people download it and install it on other AOSP-based systems like Amazon Fire. We know this kind of thing works since people are downloading Play Services from places like APKMirror.
@f15h this is their claim to the European Commission today in the #DMA compliance workshop that is going on right now https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/events-poolpage/alphabet-dma-compliance-workshop-2024-03-21_en
It is probably also detailed in their "non-confidential" DMA compliance report:
https://storage.googleapis.com/transparencyreport/report-downloads/pdf-report-bb_2023-9-6_2024-3-6_en_v1.pdf
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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If you needed any more proof that the so-called #AppAssociation #ACT is an #Apple front, their lobbyist just asked #Google whether it wasn't worried that 3rd party app stores are dangerous to users and would put a control process in place (like Apple does). 😠
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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How to install old apps on Android 14 #Android, #Android14, #BypassLowTargetSdkBlock, #Security, #Sideloading
https://liliputing.com/how-to-install-old-apps-on-android-14/
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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Just in case you're wondering why #Apple & #Google etc. are such jerks about implementing #DMA, here are some numbers:
* play store revenue 2019: $ 11.2 Billion
https://www.reuters.com/technology/google-play-app-store-revenue-reached-112-bln-2019-lawsuit-says-2021-08-28/
* apple appstore revenue 2021: $ 85.1 Billion
https://www.statista.com/statistics/296226/annual-apple-app-store-revenue/
* apple app store made more money on games alone in 2019 than nintendo, microsoft and sony combined
https://www.techspot.com/news/91577-apple-reportedly-made-more-money-games-2019-than.html
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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Today: #DMA compliance workshop with #Alphabet/#Google :)
While Alphabet seems to be better in terms of the new #browser & #search choice screens, they have a strange view regarding their new obligation to allow un-installing pre-installed apps like #PlayStore or #Gmail:
Alphabet's lobbyists argue un-install and remove are two different things and as the #DigitalMarketsAct's Art 6(3) only mandates un-install but not removal, the current "deactivation" feature in Android would be enough. 🤔
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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EU antitrust chief Margrethe Vestager called out Apple’s proposed core technology fee for what it is: a way to protect its monopoly instead of actually complying with the Digital Markets Act.
“…if the new Apple fee structure will de facto not make it in any way attractive to use the benefits of the DMA. That kind of thing is what we will be investigating.”
#Google said it has no involvement of OEM's including app stores by default. To ship an #GooglePlay device, it has to comply with secret NDA'd "GMS Compliance", which requires OEMs to justify to Google pre-installed app store needs to access the same APIs that Play uses to install and uninstall apps. Somehow, I don't think Google will stop requiring OEMs be granted permission by Google to include the app stores of their choosing.
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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Haha #Google bitches against #Apple: "We allow 3rd party app stores, #sideloading, automatic updates for sideloaded apps, and #PWA for free."
Hans-Christoph Steiner
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I really like the phrase malicious compliance.
There's a lot of that going on so many levels. Not just #DMA and finally I can call it out with one single phrase.
#GooglePlay's competition is more than just businesses. Free software communities, governments, non-profits, and institutions are already making #Android app stores.
Joined Aug 2019
