@silmathoron Yes, Byzantium. It needs patches in kernel, Mesa and Android image though - but nothing too weird or hacky, so hopefully this will work out-of-box in a not so distant future :)

Personally IMO the linux mobile ecosystem should just ditch Anbox and waydroid, stop spending resources trying to bridge those two worlds and focus on making good mainlinux linux mobile ready apps.

But I will admit that I may be a strange person and my use cases might be different from others :)

@dos @silmathoron

But aside from the personal rant, nice hacking @dos

@joao @dos @silmathoron

Exactly what I think.

But when I read that e.g. the need for some (in my opinion unsecure) banking app for 2nd factor to log in stops people from switching to mobile linux I see their point.

Maybe there should go some more thought into a strategy to make possible what helps the linux ecosystem while promoting the google ecosystem as little as possible.

@joao @dos @silmathoron danger of being like OS/2 which was a "better windows than windows"... So lack of effort put into native applications. Hard to justify building twice when you can hit an even bigger market by targeting the lowest common denominator.

Hope that the libhandy adoption and similar builds faster from the other side.

@joao @silmathoron Counterpoint: I have never really used any Android phone as my daily driver, but sometimes I did have a need to pull one out of my drawer (even if just to test an Android build of one of my games). Waydroid starts to work well enough that I can really see it running on my L5 being enough for those rare cases!

For a regular daily use, a native app will always be strongly prefered, as running two full blown OSes on a phone is quite noticeably wasteful ;)

@joao @dos @silmathoron I would argue that virtual machines have been nothing but a net good for computing. Choice is what made computing what it is today, and artificially limiting capacities or capabilities serves nothing but agendas. Furthermore, android as a platform represents a vast software library that is continuously funded and increasing.
I'm very grateful for waydroid and Dos' efforts to get it working on the L5. 👍👍

@Phaserune @joao @dos @silmathoron

I agree. To me this sort of thing also provides peace of mind. I've been seeing more and more expectation that one has a smartphone, and thus the ability to run android or iOS apps.

I'm concerned that some day when traveling I'll run into a circumstance where I need to have some app running on my phone to do something.

Thus having the capability to run an andriod app gives some piece of mind in that area. Even if I don't have any need right now.

@Phaserune @joao @dos @silmathoron

Also, very nice dos! I look forward to playing with it!

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