@mischievoustomato
I have to admit that it got much less so with years, and by the low standards we have today its requirements might seem modest.
But as 2002 was mentioned in the opening post, I think it's worth noting that at the time Qt was extremely bloated, slow and… just abominable! Athena widget set didn't seem that ugly in comparison.
@newt
Unlike you I have like 7 machines and none of them have Qt or anything depending on it. This one, among other things, has Windows — it's a guilty pleasure of mine. I usually don't even show it to anyone, but you're special.
For you on the other hand Qt is like… Drug of choice. Switching to Windows as replacement therapy? 🤔 No, not good, I won't recommend it!
@newt
Oh, man, don't! I know you can relate — you're relying on Qt daily!
I hope you can get off this shit before it kills you 😏
@charlie_root
Ha-ha-ha! I think it "enhances" the overall "using Windows" experience. I only use light colour scheme on this Windows machine and, although I can't say I only did it for this screenshot, but I was messing with Bloat's CSS right before taking this screenshot 🤣
@moth_ball
You're probably right! But somehow, unlike the supporting cast, I was never finding the main heroine appealing — not enough to justify all the hype and not enough to delve into it myself. Knowing (more or less) what the plot is about, I would probably like her, but visually — no, maybe I'm just prejudiced against the elves 😬
@newt @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
People using Windows?! Oh, come on! Stop making shit up! 😏
@kaia @solidsanek @moth_ball
I don't know a single character of this franchise, but I really like these two — they are like direct opposites, work really well together 🤭
@combo @neural_meduza
Резина — это чуждые нам ценности! Бычий пузырь — назад к исконно-посконности! 🐄⛪
@newt
> I use Qt only for Linux (maybe BSD) and don't really care about non-X11 systems.
Well, we also have a room full of people right here who use GTK in Linux and are perfectly fine with it, so…
What should the punchline be? "Works for me 🤷"?
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
@newt
And when someone tells you that your software can't be built in Debian with latest version of dependencies and segfaults even when patched to be buildable… Let me guess, you tell them WONTFIX: "Go fuck yourself and use the versions that I use" — congratulations, you've reinvented snaps/flatpaks without wasting any effort on providing the infrastructure 😂
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
@newt
One of the signs you might be a conspiracy-theorist 😏
@newt
Have you ever seen that? A developer relying on whatever their distro gives them if that is their immediate dependency?
There are reasons for that — testing with different versions, avoiding distro-specific patches…
@newt
> Qt is very nice
No! Just no! It's a steaming disgusting pile of crap!
@newt
> Probably the best tool for UI development we currently have
When a developer tells me: "I use Qt because it's the easiest way to make my software cross-platform",— I think… Okay, you've given up on the way your software looks and feels and took the easy way out. Other options require lots of effort, it's not for everyone. It's somewhat acceptable, but when I see something like this from the user's perspective:
@newt
And no matter how they modularise it, to develop with it you still have to build this giant monolith comparable to Firefox and Chrome, and it has an optional component based on the latter.
Man, can anything — anything at all, be worse than this… thing! 🤢
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
@newt
It's basically like Delphi or rather C++ Builder, but cross-platform — and in no OS it looks native.
To be fair, I know a couple of commercial applications for Mac OS X using Qt that almost look natively, but A LOT of effort was put into it. In Windows it always looks like an illegal alien, and in Linux it's so ugly that you can scare children with it 😱
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
@newt
This might even sound reasonable were we not comparing it to Qt — Qt for fuck's sake! The single most disgusting thing in two universes.
Which in 2002 was more bloated than the web BTW — QML is the grandfather of modern web debauchery. The only good thing about it is that it contains a wide range of ready to use components — that's what they did with GTK4, so now development dependencies drag even GStreamer in, but somehow you don't like it.
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
@romin
> freetards
Free-tier Pleroma users?
Those without Pleroma Gold accounts?
@neural_meduza
Илон Маск, помоги!
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