Elias @eliasr@librem.one
- My web page
- https://eliasrudberg.se/
Human being. Programmer, sailor, researcher, teacher, student, parent, child, etc. Free/libre and open-source software (FOSS/FLOSS) enthusiast. Likes human rights, including digital rights such as privacy of communication. Casual hacker. On Mastodon since about 2020. Lives in Stockholm. He/him. No DMs.
Joined Jun 2020
@lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
> You continue to claim that people are
> being dishonest even though I've made
> it clear to you that I believe the claims.
You say that as if "the claims" is something that you can believe as a whole. That does not make sense. I have pointed to something specific that is false, I did so also in the article where you found the spelling error. Go and look it up, you will find that there is something false being referred to.
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@lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
> You have continued to spread every
> single article defending RMS
That is not true. For example, I have chosen not to spread the "pro-RMS" Github letter because I found it too harsh, too angry. I prefer more constructive dialogue.
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@lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
> You have continued claiming about CoC breaking
In my opinion, the open letter does not follow the advice of "Be friendly, Be empathetic, Be respectful", from the GNOME CoC. Do you have a different opinion about that?
> and then you claimed to be confused
> and wanting to hear the opinion of gnome developers
Yes, I have a hard time understanding how people working with GNOME projects can think signing such a letter is okay. I do want to hear then explain their thinking.
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@lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
> You misspelled "something" as "somthing"
Oh, thanks, I corrected that now.
> You have not addressed my concerns
I'm sorry, let me try to do that now.
> You have continued claiming
> the open letter is a mob attack.
There I think you put words in my mouth. But if what you mean is that I have pointed out that many people have together attacked a single person with a focus of trying to paint him as a terrible person, then, well, that's just what happened.
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@cwebber@octodon.social I also wrote something related to this:
@mlemweb@octodon.social
Hello, doctor Lemmer-Webber. I heard on the podcast that you signed the open letter to "remove RMS". I wrote this about it, I hope you can find time to read it:
Hi, I see Framasoft listed as one of the organizations that signed the open letter to "remove RMS". Then this is for you:
Hi, I see Tor Project listed as one of the organizations that signed the open letter to "remove RMS". Then this is for you:
@arh@toots.alirezahayati.com @fsfi I just put up my own statement about the RMS open letter thing, or maybe statement is not the right word for it, but anyway, here it is:
@lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
> wanting to hear the opinion of gnome developers
Yes, I still want to hear from them.
I wrote this, please read and help pass it on to others if you know other people who signed the open letter, this is for them, I would like to hear what they think about it:
What do you think about it? I really tried to make it constructive and not dismiss any concerns.
> all the divisions and "civil wars" happening.
I wrote something trying to help regarding that stuff, here:
Comment on the open letter to "remove RMS", based on the GNU Kind Communications Guidelines
Here is my own contribution to the #RMS debate, about the open letter and #fsf and so on.
Comment on the open letter to "remove RMS", based on the GNU Kind Communications Guidelines
This is not another escalation, it's something else. It's about how we communicate. I thought a lot about it. Hopefully this can reach some of the people who signed the open letter.
Boosts welcome.
@joao Nice! This is the same camera app that @martijnbraam has been working on?
@jrballesteros05 The use of such "trending" listings is a worrying trend in itself 🙂
I get particularly annoyed when supposedly serious news organizations making real journalism, like https://www.theguardian.com/ still cannot resist that idea, even they nowadays put a "most read" listing on their page. I wish they would understand that what I want from them is not to read what everyone else reads, I want to read what is good and relevant news according to The Guardian. Not "most read".
I agree, they really should allow people to remove their names. Especially since it's about a personal attack, it's understandable that some people may not want to be part of it anymore after they think it through and maybe they looked up some of the details and find they cannot really stand behind that.
If they really don't allow names to be removed, I hope someone will have the guts to say publicly "I signed not knowing this and that, now I want my name removed".
> A lot of the people on that list honestly believe they are fighting
> some "Holy War", so whatever offense they commit they feel justified.
Yes, that's the impression I got also.
For example, if I say personal attacks should be avoided, they answer that they agree with that in general but that in this particular case it's so important to get what they want that they make an exception. They throw principles out the window and they think that's acceptable "for the greater good".
Debian Votes to Issue No Statement on Stallman's Return to the FSF Board
Details about the vote: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
@MatejLach Sounds a bit like one of those things where computer users are assumed to be both uninterested and fundamentally incapable of understanding anything about the technology they are using.
In my opinion it's a bad development, we should instead work towards more understanding of technology, empowering people to decide which tech they use and how.
If we assume people are stupid (I don't think that), then things like #freesoftware become meaningless as people can't tell the difference.
@lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
> spreading lies
Now that is a serious accusation you are making, please explain what you mean.
In my opinion, spreading lies is a very bad thing to do, if I had done that I would take it back and apologize.
The people who signed the "open letter" (that you defended) appear to think otherwise. The letter does in fact spread falsehoods, as I explained to you earlier. I have not yet seen anyone apologizing for signing that.
See also this: https://edsantos.eu/on-stalman/
@shiba I agree that the letter was very unfortunate, to put it mildly.
What I'm wondering now is what to do now, in the situation we have. All those people (and organizations!) did sign that, and now I need to communicate with them after that.
My thought regarding the CoC in this case was that, by looking at things from that point of view, that could be a way of making the people who signed the letter reflect on what they have done.
What do you think? What should we do now?
- My web page
- https://eliasrudberg.se/
Human being. Programmer, sailor, researcher, teacher, student, parent, child, etc. Free/libre and open-source software (FOSS/FLOSS) enthusiast. Likes human rights, including digital rights such as privacy of communication. Casual hacker. On Mastodon since about 2020. Lives in Stockholm. He/him. No DMs.
Joined Jun 2020
