Elias @eliasr@librem.one

@johnfocker @purism I think you can't really compare to Pine64. Purism creates and improves free software. Pine64 just makes hardware. Many people seem to be running Phosh (by Purism) on their Pinephones. Nothing wrong with that of course, but it's not like things would be fine if nobody was working on the software. Working on software costs money. I appreciate that Purism is doing that work, and I'm pretty sure that Pine64 appreciates it as well, they do benefit from it. We all benefit.

@sir As people we can be expected to do the right thing, but we cannot expect companies to do the right thing, they will just do whatever makes money. Like he says in the end, we need to create laws to form a better society, companies will not do it no matter how much we shout at them, because their purpose is to make money. (except maybe those strange social purpose companies like @purism)

@sir That's very interesting, but when he says things like "You've got a responsibility to society", when he says that to a company like Facebook, I think that's a mistake. A company has a responsibility to its owners/shareholders. The company does not actually have a responsibility to society. You can say things like that to a person, but I'm not sure it's meaningful to say it to a company.

@purism @agx @dos which parts of #librem5 software are most important to test right now, for someone who has a Birch phone and wants to help?

@tychi just be aware of the risks: https://layer8.space/@killyourfm/104969159542344527

@geary @gnome @purism Just got the #Geary email client running on a #librem5 Birch. This is a Geary version built from Purism's git repo https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/geary (I tried the upstream version also but got into trouble with the initial account setup dialog that did not fit the screen). Anyway, glad to see this is working! #FreeSoftware #GNOME #GNU #Linux

@agx @purism aha, ok, now I tried putting amber-phone-staging in my /etc/apt/sources.list file, and it works, now apt gives me phosh 0.5.1. Excellent. Thank you!

@agx @purism Great! To try it, is it possible to install it using apt? Looks like I get phosh version 0.4.4 in both byzantium and amber-phone -- is there a way to get the new phosh 0.5.1? Or is building from source from the git repo the only way?

@redstarfish to make MS-DOS users feel at home in GNU/Linux? 🙂 I remember at some point in the 90s at a university where some Unix (Solaris) system was used, then there was no "dir" command and a friend of mine added it as an alias for his user because he was so used to MS-DOS.

@arran I'd like some good games for kids, fun games where they at the same time learn things, like math, building things, solving puzzles, things like that. Not sure if that exists already, if so I don't know about it.

@js everyone needs to finally let go of IPv4. I get that people see some problems with IPv6 but staying with IPv4 forever is *not* a better option!

@jrballesteros05 aha, and snap is bad because it is centralized, or for other reasons?

@jrballesteros05 for me, flatpak seems to be a convenient way to get to test the latest version of different FLOSS programs, in cases when it's not so easy to build in the normal way because the newest code needs some newer versions of certain libraries, things like that. For example I'm using it now to test the Geary email client on a #librem5 by building a .flatpak file on my laptop using GNOME Builder and then copying the .flatpak file over to the phone. This seems useful, I think.

@jrballesteros05 what's wrong with flatpak packages?