Sebastian Krzyszkowiak @dos@librem.one

@jannem kwin_wayland is a great way to nest things inside gamescope (when it works)

Discovering that Xwayland in KWin has been recently broken on #SteamDeck made me sad, but then I realized that there's a mainstream game console with which my main gripe is Xwayland in KWin being temporarily broken.

TIL there's European tram driver championship running since 2012 and its disciplines make it even more ridiculous than how it sounds. 10/10 👍
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nWeSxnFALo

@maryjane I was raised on dpkg and took its robustness for granted until I moved to Arch and experienced pacman's failure modes that would just never happen on Debian 😁

@sos @hauleth @q3k @Perroboc May take a while 😫

I'm confused, really. What "execution" are you talking about? The petition says "hey, disabling sold games with no way to make them playable again shouldn't be legal, pls do something about it", and that's it - it doesn't execute anything, nor does it provide any solutions; it's not supposed to, it's a petition. Are you talking about some auxiliary stuff? I'm commenting on the petition itself, which sounds as reasonable as a petition can be to me.

@martijnbraam One thing that instantly comes to my mind is that you can just set it in $PATH to deal with stuff that doesn't handle triplets at all.

@martijnbraam Usually they would be hardlinks though.

@picoretro Naaah, you first juice up your menus for quick dopamine boosts and then leave the core game eternally unfinished, moving onto something else. That's the way! 😂

@picoretro You're doing it backwards, that should be the first 90%! Right? Right???? 😅

@hauleth @sos @q3k @Perroboc As an example, Mozilla Location Services have been recently shut down, breaking some stuff I've worked on in the past. Would I have to do anything about it? Nope! There's enough docs available for anyone to implement their own replacement, and users are easily able to point the software to that instead of MLS. And guess what - that's exactly what's happening right now.

Things get shut down all the time, you can either be conscious or ignorant about that possibility.

@hauleth @sos @q3k @Perroboc Of course? I mean, if you didn't take that possibility into account when designing your product before putting it on the market, then you clearly didn't do your job right.

Anyway, discussing such edge cases in context of the petition is utterly pointless. I'm sure you'll be able to sound your concerns like that when (and if!) a relevant law gets proposed during its public consultation. Hard to discuss law's wording when it doesn't exist yet.

@sos @q3k @Perroboc You're already involved when you perform "remote disabling", and what the petition wishes to be regulated is for you to not be able to perform that action without ensuring fair outcome for your customers. What it describes is pretty much basic decency, lol.

@hauleth @sos @q3k @Perroboc It feels like you've seen some different petition than what I've read. What "solutions" are you talking about? There are none in the petition and they're not supposed to be there, so how can we even discuss their wording? It's a problem statement pointing to some existing laws to justify the need to work on solution. This whole thread is ridiculous to me, really - am I missing something?
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en

@sos @q3k @Perroboc What analogy? I only quoted the petition verbatim, haven't made any analogies. It specifically asks for "no involvement" from the developer, so what liability are you talking about? It's not even applicable to "thing breaks" scenario at all. Did you want to reply to someone else?

@sos @q3k @Perroboc If I sell something that's understood to be a working product, then it's my friggin duty to not "remote disable" it "before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of [it] without the involvement from [me]". Anything else should be outright illegal, and that's not limited to video games. How is this wording even slightly controversial?