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@jobi Check out #Funkwhale! It connects to the fediverse just like mastodon, so people will be able to follow you from here, but it's made for sharing music. :)
 https://funkwhale.audio/​

@molly0xfff Aaah, something as rare as a bi-partisan group in American politics. It's wonderful to see that through all the hate, they can still be united in sheer incompetence ❤️

@ravenonthill I understand where you come from! It's tempting to blame only Russia, Trump, and the GOP for the lack of trust in the media in the US, but I think it's fair to say the media industry is not innocent either.

And people should get angry - but the anger needs to be used for good. Bad actors are generally motivated by recieving anger in social media; online hate is the only human interaction some of these people get.

@ravenonthill @adamdavidson @froomkin Of course, I don't think anyone meant to imply this should be the only guiding principle.

Of course, here it gets more complicated to draw the line. Misinformation is a huge problem, and this is part of the reason why a closed instance for journalists is a good idea to begin with.

As for articles from the New York Times, I think there should be room to discuss them - especially if one thinks the content is subpar.

@ravenonthill @adamdavidson @froomkin Adam is referring to a nontolerance for personal insults here. That doesn't mean you have to respect everyone's opinions as equally worthy - it just means you have to treat them as if they were made in good faith.

Disagreements are welcome, but it should never be about the person.

I struggle to understand how you could be this opposed to a "no personal insults" policy, so I'll let you elaborate - what's the problem?

@adamdavidson @froomkin The point I wanted to make was, however, that these things are challenging, and I thing you and the team are doing a great job on it. Nothing about this even comes close to content moderation issues I've read about in other platforms.

@adamdavidson @froomkin By content I meant to refer to the content of the toots - not the shared media. So the insults would be part of the content. Sorry for not making that clear!

I think it's fair for journa.host to mandate higher standards of civility than other instances - nobody wants to see a bunch of journalists engulfed in flame wars.

What fascinates me the most is just the reach of this whole saga - how this ended up in the NYT makes me question a thing or two.

@adamdavidson @froomkin As far as I can see, the entire article boils down to "sometimes, content moderation is difficult".

And at the core of the whole debate is a couple of posts that would be considered mild by Twitter standards. I guess people are just starving for drama.

In the end, the challenge of an instance like this might be to establish a culture rather than to moderate content. Hopefully that will get easier once people get used to the fact that they're not on Twitter any more.

@WhoLovesDean There are a few instances dedicated to shitposting - I've seen hellsite.site , jorts.horse , godforsaken.website , myasstodon.xyz , and smores.town brought up. Not into the scene myself though, so can't verify the quality of either, but at least they're all anti fascist, so that's cool.

In general, my guess is that Mastodon might be more suited for more normal interactions, but it'll be interesting to see how the scene develops.

@WhoLovesDean These two instances are blocked off for new registrations right now. This is precisely so that the team can keep up with moderation in light of the increased traffic over the last month.

Unless you have a very specific reason you want to be on a server hosted by Gargron, there's no reason not to settle down on another one! :)

@andrewmelder@twit.social That said, I think it's alo fine that some instances are more trigger-happy than others when it comes to blocking.

Personally I'm happy to see a broad variation of content, even when I strongly disagree, as long as it's not trolling or straight out deplorable. I totally understand that others might have higher standards.

That some instances would rather block too much than too little is fine, as long as that policy is clear to the users of that instance.

@csteacher @Ciaraioch #FIFA has been corrupt forever, and the players have power to stand up against them. FIFA has no reason to change anything, they're laughing all the way to the bank, and they know perfectly well by now they can get away with murder.

At this point I'm not mad at FIFA, I'm mad at anyone enabling them - be it the players, sports journalists, or broadcasting networks.

@kathygriffin As a music enthusiast, it frustrates me that Phil Spector was such a god awful human that I can't reasonably hate him for what he did to the music industry. The wall of sound was enough to guarantee him a spot in hell, but in light of what a shitty person he was it comes across as irrelevant.

@molly0xfff One hell of an approach - "those who remember history will hopefully forget all about it in a few months so that they can repeat it"

@neelibby @megalithic @tomthemac Nobody here hold any authority over anyone, don't worry. Some people might come across as if they own the place, whether they intend to or not, but that's just how people are. The fact is that the only ones in charge are the administrators of each instance, and most instances are newer than the Twitter migration. You own the place as much as anyone. :)

...and knowing the ideologies around here, I'm not sure luddite is even that negative! Haha