The problem with social media is people. Pundits and the media have created a narrative that only specific sites or specific features (algorithmic feeds, quote tweets, etc) are toxic but this is easily debunked by visiting any online forum without those features and paying attention to the patterns of toxic usage.
+1 this idea on Github if you like it.
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/20673#issuecomment-1364517289
My preferred default implementation for quote posts on Mastodon would be for quote posts to be allowed, but quoting authors with more followers than the original author would need confirmation to auto-expand the quoted post. It would hinder punching down / ratio-ing.
Given:
- We can already link to a post and links to non-Mastodon posts are already shown with a preview.
- Other fediverse servers and clients already support previewing linked/quotes posts.
@MrBerard @Quinnae_Moon I'm beginning to think that "are QTs bad, yes or no?" is the wrong question. A much more interesting question is "how can mastodon implement quote shares that is technically feasible, facilitates the desired use cases, and discourages the undesirable effects?"
Because I don't think that's a super hard question to answer. We can start by looking at how QTs on Twitter differ from "reply/quote on main" implementations on most other social networks.
@mattymedlyn @rezzyreksya I think moderation is more meaningful than the feature's existence.
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/20673 has a discussion on ways it could be implemented with more control for the original author.
We can already link to a post and links to non-Mastodon posts are already shown with a preview.
My preferred default implementation would be for quote posts to be allowed, but quoting authors with more followers than the original author would need confirmation to expand the quoted post.
@rezzyreksya @mattymedlyn I found this to be an insightful, neutral analysis. https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2022/12/01/reflecting-on-twitter-white-flight-quote-tweet-tensions-at-mastodon/
Every time someone points to new technology and says “wow this will revolutionize the [whatever] industry”, I am reminded of the realization that most industries would see radical improvements applying the best tech of 15 years ago too, and still haven’t. In other words, there is more to the story of change than tech alone.
This post from Tumblr's Ghostonly is the best social media advice I've ever read:
How to have a good internet experience in 8 easy steps
https://www.tumblr.com/ghostonly/667966959023996928/how-to-have-a-good-internet-experience-in-8-easy
@mattymedlyn I felt similarly until I learned how it was used by specific communities: https://mastodon.social/@beccanalia/109567249645977031
And surprisingly for beneficial use by people being dunked on: https://fosstodon.org/@isaacs/109546059954209628
@tokyo_0 @smorreel @taylorlorenz A lot of people here think Mastodon and the Fediverse are one and the same.
Anyway, @Gargron already said he's not going to implement quote boosts:
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/309
Point is, if someone really wants to use quote boosts, apps that have that feature exist on the Fediverse. And they're *not* workarounds.
Here's the answer to my question: an extensive (and inconclusive) GitHub issues thread discussing the idea of making quote-posts an opt-in feature https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/20673
@seldo I did welcome the opportunity to mute block Paul Graham on a new platform. Delightful, really.
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