@RockyC Thanks! And it is encouraging. So far I only have Linux on Lenovo ThinkPad and IdeaPad. But I have noticed there are older iMac on second hand market at relatively low prices (also macbooks, but they tend to be in a less good state). Thanks for the pro tips!

@hehemrin The problem with older Macs is the proprietary SSDs they started using in 2010. You just can’t pop in an M.2. Here’s a guide to all of the Apple proprietary SSDs:

https://beetstech.com/blog/apple-proprietary-ssd-ultimate-guide-to-specs-and-upgrades

@RockyC Thanks again. I'll save that article. Mmm Apple makes good products but they are the opposite to standards and open source. Wonder what founder Woz thinks about it, I mean he was indeed a tinker.

@hehemrin I used to be a staunch Apple supporter until they started soldering all the RAM and storage to the motherboards. All Macs except the Studio and the new Pro are now appliances - it’s impossible to upgrade or repair any of them, and I refuse to purchase any computer that I can’t fix myself.

@RockyC
I agree. My first Apple computer was and still in use is macmini 2014. I was tired of issues with Win Vista and possibly hw. Macmini works well but now I'm tired of the walled garden so walking to Linux. So I doubt a new Apple again, but an older with Linux is somewhat tempting.

@RockyC @hehemrin It should be noted that not *all* older macs use the proprietary SSDs. The 2010-2015(ish) iMacs use standard SSD connectors (as do Mac minis up to the 2014 model) and the laptops from 2016-2017 and onwards eithe rhas ram or storage, or both, soldered in.