Elias @eliasr@librem.one

@samuel ja! Ordnat av bland annat NOSAD, det är bra grejer: https://nosad.se/

@karlemilnikka

How about KeePassXC?

@bitwarden

@Jeremiah

> an inferior cloud offering

I think there is a misunderstanding here: OpenStack is not a "cloud offering" in the sense of AWS/Azure/etc. Instead it is FOSS allowing you to have control.

If you want control, then AWS et al are useless, more relevant would be to compare OpenStack to other FOSS options.

As I see it, the issue of being independent is much more important than whatever convenient features may or may not be available. It's FOSS: you can modify it as needed.

@geewee

@neil I think https://www.borgbackup.org/ is good.

@petrisch this is interesting, but if I understood correctly, GNU Taler is not a currency by itself, it is more like a payment system that can be used in different ways together with different currencies, I think.

Can you point to a specific payment system using GNU Taler that would be used for the payment?

(I think it would be possible for a central bank to use GNU Taler as a way of handling digital currency, but as far as I know, no central bank has decided to do that, not yet anyway.)

@aurynn

I think the point is people should stop using iOS and Android.

There are free (as in freedom) alternatives, see @linmob

@cnx

@aurynn what does "VC" mean?

@Greg

In debian I do "apt-get source x", then modify the source code of x, then "dpkg-buildpackage" to build a modified .deb file which I install to get my modified program. This works fine, I did it many times to apply some little fix or change that I want to use locally.

About use cases, "user" vs "developer", I think part of the point of FOSS is to tear down the barrier between those. We are all developers, and we are all users. Developers don't have special powers over users.

@cwebber

@rydia@fosstodon.org

If there is success you may not see it, because the success consists of bad things that have not happened thanks to GPLv3.

With Android phones, if the current situation is that only a certain kernel version is allowed but other programs can still be modified, then a potential bad development could be that a larger part of the OS is locked, not only the kernel but also other parts could be locked? Maybe the anti-tivoization clause in GPLv3 has helped to prevent that from happening?

@libreoffice

Google is not good.

The size of that company and the power they have in the world today is frightening.

Don't help Google polish their image.

Having said all of the above, let me add that I really appreciate LibreOffice, LibreOffice is great, I really like LibreOffice and that's why it hurts so much to see you teaming up with Google. I really wish you wouldn't.

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@libreoffice

This is worth a lot for Google. Google can say: "look, Google is working together with the free software commmunity, they like Google".

To make a comparison, it's like Greta Thunberg joining a promotional conference for a big oil company. The oil company would love to have her there, it would be very helpful for their greenwashing efforts. But Greta would not go there, she knows better. She knows that a big oil company is fundamentally against what she stands for.

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@libreoffice Thanks again for answering.

As for what "Google Summer of Code" actually is, for me it's quite clear that it is a very successful PR stunt on the part of Google.

The cost for Google is negligible, after all it's a trillion-dollar company.

The benefit for Google, on the other hand, is substantial: they get LibreOffice (and Debian, GNOME, KDE and others) saying essentially "Google is good", you are communicating that "Google is good" through your own channels.

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@libreoffice it is obvious that the situation today with "Google Docs" and so on is bad for people's freedom and bad for the independence of individuals. People should be using free software on their own terms, instead of being exploited by Google.

I would expect LibreOffice to be able to say so, but when you associate with Google I guess you will not say it, you will pretend like Google is good because Google gives you money.

Do you honestly not see the problem here?

2/2

@libreoffice Thanks for answering.

I just don't get it. Look at what Google is, their whole business is based on exploiting people, in large part using "free" things that are not really free but paid for with invasion of privacy.

Look at "Google Docs" that is dominating so hugely in the world today, the idea being that Google tracks your every move when editing a document. This is totally opposed to the freedom that I want, and the freedom that I want to believe that LibreOffice wants.

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@libreoffice but I will give you my opinion anyway, in case you are open to influence from others than Google:

Google's dominance is extremely harmful for anyone who wants freedom regarding the use of technology in the world today. What is good for Google is bad for freedom.

It is very easy to understand why Google wants to associate itself with something like LibreOffice, it helps Google's image very much. But what is the upside for you? You are now on "team Google"?

I feel betrayed..

2/2

@libreoffice please don't sell out to Google like this.

Do you honestly think that Google is your friend?

I was considering donating to LibreOffice, now I guess there is little point since you anyway have the support of Google, and I guess you also get Google giving you advice on your development. You don't need my money, when Google has so much more money to give you.

Perhaps you also don't care about my opinion when you have Google's opinion, Google is so much more powerful.

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@kde

No, I don't want "Google" anything.

KDE should not promote Google in this way. Please stop.

@nikolar@mastodon.se du kanske kan ta upp några siffror på det hela, t.ex. att resan till alperna motsvarar lika stor klimatpåverkan som X dagars bil-åkande till jobbet?

@nikolar@mastodon.se kan vara ett exempel på att det som styr oss människor oftast inte är "jag gör det som är rätt och bra att göra efter att ha tänkt igenom saken", utan snarare blir det oftast så att "jag gör som andra runtomkring mig gör".

@meraord det slutade med att jag själv somnade ifrån allting 🙃