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We have some exciting news! The team at Purism are thrilled to announce the launch of Librem One librem.one Private and secure email, chat, social and VPN. No ads! No tracking! No data sharing! Just the best end-to-end encrypted communication and social. Join the revolution today and take back control of your data and life

@purism

It would be kinda neat if you could check out libreho.st/ and possibly even join :)

#librehosters

@purism

wow that is really neat!
and as @selea said - consider joining librehosters too :)

@purism I like the idea but what are you paying for (outside supporting you lads and using your cloud)?
- LibremChat looks like a modified Riot.im
- LibremSocial looks like a (barely) modified FediLab
- LibremMail looks like a modified K-9 Mail
- LibremTunnel looks like a modified OpenVPN app

It's nice to that you have put the effort into this, but wouldn't it have been easier to just promote those specific apps?
Or am I missing something?

@finlaydag33k @purism I guess it's the idea of decentralised apps, they create their own so that if there ever is a problem with the apps you mention, poeple will still be able to use other ones. Plus the sftwares are free so the efforts is not that important.

@finlaydag33k @purism @amolith I could be wrong but I think they are providing the backend services for these apps, that is what the pricing is for. It's like a privacy-respecting (in theory) cloud service.

@amolith @sean @purism
But then, I don't really understand why they would make a "special" app for it .-.

@finlaydag33k @amolith @purism Beyond branding, I'm guessing the apps are pre-configured for the hosted service?

@purism This is an exciting idea coming from an SPC with a mandate like Purism's.

Will the #FOSS community benefit from the software behind these offerings? Put more plainly, is this all built with Foss?

@purism I’d love to complete my registration but I’m stuck at the login screen after the “pending” registration.. ? It says my username and/or password are incorrect /cc @todd

@moritzheiber @purism

Hi can you go to: librem.one/accounts/profile/

from there you should have a link to proceed to the next step.

@joao @purism That’s where I’m stuck, the next modal wants me to log in again, and it fails for me using the exact same credentials

@moritzheiber @joao @purism Same here! I registered without a backup email address, could you please help?

@moritzheiber @joao @purism Oh great. Good thing I have an email associated with my new account, right?

@moritzheiber @purism @todd will these android apps be available as apks or on #Fdroid ? Nice to have #privacy and installing through the #playstore is not the way to do it.

@purism This service is quite new and its ios apps is newly added. Maybe some tutorial helps.

@purism @Purism While I'm all for decentralisation and moving away from malicious corporate entities, I don't really like how it's made to seem as if every service on librem.one is something made by Purism. The technical specifications do say what protocol is being used but not the underlying software and I think that's an underhanded way to go about it.

At least say LibremSocial is Mastodon, LibremTunnel is PIA, LibremMail is any old mail server with tight GPG integration & K-9 Mail from Android, and that LibremFiles and Contacts will, I assume, be Nextcloud.

I really don't like people that come along, take a good open source project, rebrand it, and pass it off as their own. Transparency is a good thing and I don't really see any on the front page of librem.one

If you were operating this as a non-profit, that would one thing. It's an entirely different matter to be making money from free software without giving credit where credit is due.

@amolith @purism @Purism I'll let other Purism folks respond to your post, but I'd like to say that in some cases it isn't really relevant what the application is that implements the protocol. People want things that "just work" and don't care if it is Mastodon underneath.

@jeremiah_ People do indeed want things that "just work", however, I think it's unhealthy for the ecosystem to just rebrand and "claim" without giving credit where due.
In the end, giving the credit to the original project would also benefit you as now people will start looking into the original project and contribute to it.

@jeremiah_ This actually depends :p

When I give credit, I call it GNU+Linux (note that I use a "+" not a "/"), this is because I feel like it gives appropriate credit to both while still kinda staying away (read: middle ground) from the whole "Linux vs GNU/Linux" debate.

When I type messages like these, I say "Linux" (just to keep it short).

When I teach people about Linux (just to pique their interests in it), I call it "GNU and Linux" (so similar to the "GNU+Linux").

@jeremiah_
And I would like to say that that is exactly the kind of thing I would expect from Google or Apple. Not from a company like Purism. I didn't say they should link to the GitHub repos in the header of each listing. I didn't even say that they should link to the project anywhere. Just that they should, at the very least, say what software they're using. Otherwise, it's inadvertently putting the users in a walled garden because they don't realise that there are other options and other people running the same applications. For example, there's an entire network of people running these services (any many many more) for free on libreho.st
@purism @Purism

@amolith @purism @Purism I find your comparison to Google or Apple specious. We supply ethical, fully free, privacy supporting software and hardware. We're fundamentally different from those other companies you mentioned. Yes, we build on the work others have done, just as any modern software company must. The internet is built on FOSS.

@jeremiah_
My comparison is an exaggeration. I don't have a problem with Purism at all. In fact, it's quite the opposite; I quite like everything you guys (I assume you're part of Purism?) do to further privacy and security. My problem is ONLY with librem.one and ONLY with the fact that Purism is not giving (what I deem) proper credit to the people whose work they're using.

Yes the internet is built on FLOSS but I think it is wrong to pass others' work off as your own regardless of who is doing it. From what I can see, all Purism has done is rebranded FLOSS services so "passing others' work off as your own" is precisely what they're doing.

@amolith I hear your criticism loud and clear. I will bring this in to my colleagues on the Librem One team.

@jeremiah_
As scathing as this criticism is, other than giving credit to the projects, I'm a big fan of what Purism is doing. If I had the money, I would have been one of the first backers of the Librem 5 and I would have a Purism laptop. Unfortunately, I'm a college student as well as a musician 😆

@jeremiah_

Do you intend to fork mastodon, or do you plan to continue using mastodon but brand it as LibremSocial?
I think that not mentioning it would be wrong, you should.

@purism
@Purism

@amolith

@superadmin @amolith @purism @Purism I don't know if there is a plan to fork. I know that I see Eugen in one of our chat rooms and I assume the team has spoken with him about all of this.

@jeremiah_ Whether the end user cares or not is incidental. The point is giving credit where credit is due. It's standard practice when open source projects build on the work of others to give them a hat-tip on their homepage. But #LibreOne is a new project and these are minor comms teething problems.
@amolith @purism @Purism

@strypey @amolith @purism @Purism I don't think it is incidental when the goal is to design user-friendly applications.

@jeremiah_
You can design user-friendly applications and still give credit to the people that actually did the majority of the work :thonking:
@strypey @purism @Purism

@amolith @strypey @purism @Purism Of course you can. No one would say otherwise. 🙂 But, sad to say, sometimes users don't care. (Nor do they read the license, nor do they read the FAQ, nor do they . . .)

@amolith @strypey @purism @Purism I realize that I'm giving your a rationalization or an excuse and that your criticism is valid. However, I seriously believe that sometimes de-cluttering apps from extraneous information can actually benefit the user. It's my assumption that this was the attempt here in this case. We provide resources and code to a whole host of FLOSS projects so we know how important credit is.

@jeremiah_ I think the suggestion was about the promotional web pages, not the apps themselves. That's certainly what I'm talking about. I agree about not cluttering up UI (especially tiny hands mobile UI) with extraneous information.
@amolith @purism @Purism

@strypey @amolith @purism @Purism With regards to credit where it is due, yes, absolutely. This is one reason why Purism contributes to these projects. We go beyond credit and supply resources and code.

@jeremiah_
that seems to be irelevant to the critic.
framasoft, to make a counter example as everything as "their" software stack, incl. having every service they offer branded as "frama..." and still explain what software they use to do so, educate and sometimes aso help to fund it's development.
todon.nl/@paulfree14/102021523

@amolith I think this is a fair point. Have a look at the way #Disroot.org give credit to the software they used to run their services. The other thing currently missing on the librem.one front page is the words "source code" linked to a page the explains all the packages you use for each of your services, and provides links to their source code. If any of those packages are #AGPL, I believe you are legally obliged to do this. But either way, it would fit well with your mission.
@purism @Purism

@purism @Purism also I presume you also intend to get the #LibremOne apps packaged in #FDroid? Any idea when they might become available there?
@amolith

@strypey @purism @Purism @amolith

Near the bottom of the librem.one FAQ:

"Will you release your apps on F-Droid? Yes! In the meantime, any app that speaks our open protocols will work."

@jc
Looks like some real competition for @protonvpn unless they Open Source as they have promised once and again, even though Purism is US based and thus gives me little confidence despite their warrant canary
@strypey @purism @Purism @amolith

@amolith @purism @Purism
I looked over the announcement page a bit ago and I admit I was confused by it. I don't understand the point of trying to rebrand existing services as your own. I think Disroot did a good job of bundling existing services and being fully transparent about what they are and where they come from.

Idk, maybe it's marketing directed at average Apple/Microsoft/Google/etc. service/hardware users, but it is a turn-off for me.

@nebunez @amolith @purism @Purism I agree with several others. I don't like people rebranding open source as their own for profit, without transparency or giving credit where it's due. Too bad, because I have been following the progress on their phone Also (maybe colored by my negative reaction to the above) my reaction to that "we don't look at your junk" slogan is ugh. Maybe it's just me, but that's pretty cringe-worthy.

@amolith @purism @Purism Exactly my though why checking the site.

Plus: For me libre would be a service with clear software list AND howto guides, how can you host them if you want. Of course it's not cheap to host such a big ecosystem, so ppl will still use the provided service, but users who want to build up their own solution with just a few of them, it could be a huge step-forward to break out.

@amolith @purism @Purism

I agree!

The idea of a single brand / account for multiple services is good. It reduces confusions about the different projects for non-techy users and makes onboarding easier.

Nevertheless, the root projects / protocols should be named and appreciated. Interested users should see at a glance what they are dealing with under the hood.

@amolith @purism @Purism
This is an unfortunate consequence of free software that we'll need to accept, though. You can't deny this freedom to companies that choose to do so without making your software non-free.

Just take a look at the Lerna ICE license and the clusterfuck of problems it brought trying to make a morally-positive license.

You can't just make a free* license, since companies can just get away with it with shell non-profits. Bill Gate Foundation VPN (powered by Microsoft) anyone?

@x @amolith @purism that's why purism must be held accountable. yeah, it *is* a consequence, there always are the bad guys. and i still think they broke the license.

@purism That's great, thanks for doing it!
But maybe you could mention more clearly that you're using already existing FLOSS apps. People might believe you made Matrix/Riot, Mastodon/Tusky and K-9.

@purism Will your email service support custom domains?

@purism why matrix and not xmpp? I was really hoping it to be a xmpp service.

@jex @purism on the main site xmpp is listed as coming soon so that’s good at least
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