m0xEE @m0xee@librem.one

@newt
I'm security conscious 😜
I hand-pick even the fonts. If the system can keep working without it, why have it? Some of my machines don't have fuser/lsof or who or netstat… Having Qt is akin to having a behemoth like LibreOffice installed on a machine where I don't use it.
I don't insist on everyone being like that, but it's one more reason why Qt isn't for me, its modularity needs more work.
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
I agree — in some parts it's broken ugly piece of shit, but it's not our topic really, is it? It would be like that in any language.
snac2 is popular due to its small footprint, that is thanks to C. Sway is… well, popular, and it's a relatively young project in C. Lagrange is very niche, but in its niche it's insanely popular — can't say that it's due to it being in C, more thanks to effort put into it by its developer.

@condret @captainepoch

@newt
I see new Qt software every now and then — it's hard to not notice that things have improved, computers got more performant so having GUI toolkit in C++ became acceptable, but it's still not something worth installing 200 packages named "qt-kitchen-sink" and KDE… It's something I knew I would never use, it feels wrong to me in every possible way.

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
Gnome wasn't "slow and bugged" — especially compared to Qt-based KDE of the time. This was my point!
I don't even know what full GNOME experience is nowadays, but what I have learned from that time is to never touch anything Qt — even with a five-hundred-metre pole!

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but was it me or was it someone nicknamed Newt, who mentioned a comment from… 2001 even (!) in the opening post? 🤔

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
We're on Fedi and snac2, thanks to its small footprint, grows pretty damn popular around these parts.
Lagrange is in C, Sway is in C… Hobby-projects — sure, but they are well beyond "hello world" level. New projects of what scale do you expect to find as examples? Linux kernel is that big precisely because it's not that young.

Oh my, I'm playing devil's advocate for C, what am I doing! 😱

@condret @captainepoch

@mischievoustomato
I have to admit that it got much less so with years, and by the low standards we have today its requirements might seem modest.
But as 2002 was mentioned in the opening post, I think it's worth noting that at the time Qt was extremely bloated, slow and… just abominable! Athena widget set didn't seem that ugly in comparison.

@adiz @newt @prettygood

@newt
Unlike you I have like 7 machines and none of them have Qt or anything depending on it. This one, among other things, has Windows — it's a guilty pleasure of mine. I usually don't even show it to anyone, but you're special.
For you on the other hand Qt is like… Drug of choice. Switching to Windows as replacement therapy? 🤔 No, not good, I won't recommend it!

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
Oh, man, don't! I know you can relate — you're relying on Qt daily!
I hope you can get off this shit before it kills you 😏

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@charlie_root
Ha-ha-ha! I think it "enhances" the overall "using Windows" experience. I only use light colour scheme on this Windows machine and, although I can't say I only did it for this screenshot, but I was messing with Bloat's CSS right before taking this screenshot 🤣

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @newt @adiz

@moth_ball
You're probably right! But somehow, unlike the supporting cast, I was never finding the main heroine appealing — not enough to justify all the hype and not enough to delve into it myself. Knowing (more or less) what the plot is about, I would probably like her, but visually — no, maybe I'm just prejudiced against the elves 😬

@kaia @solidsanek

@newt @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
People using Windows?! Oh, come on! Stop making shit up! 😏

@kaia @solidsanek @moth_ball
I don't know a single character of this franchise, but I really like these two — they are like direct opposites, work really well together 🤭

@combo @neural_meduza
Резина — это чуждые нам ценности! Бычий пузырь — назад к исконно-посконности! 🐄⛪

@newt
> I use Qt only for Linux (maybe BSD) and don't really care about non-X11 systems.
Well, we also have a room full of people right here who use GTK in Linux and are perfectly fine with it, so…
What should the punchline be? "Works for me 🤷"?
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
And when someone tells you that your software can't be built in Debian with latest version of dependencies and segfaults even when patched to be buildable… Let me guess, you tell them WONTFIX: "Go fuck yourself and use the versions that I use" — congratulations, you've reinvented snaps/flatpaks without wasting any effort on providing the infrastructure 😂
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
One of the signs you might be a conspiracy-theorist 😏

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
Have you ever seen that? A developer relying on whatever their distro gives them if that is their immediate dependency?
There are reasons for that — testing with different versions, avoiding distro-specific patches…

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
> Qt is very nice
No! Just no! It's a steaming disgusting pile of crap!

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
> Probably the best tool for UI development we currently have
When a developer tells me: "I use Qt because it's the easiest way to make my software cross-platform",— I think… Okay, you've given up on the way your software looks and feels and took the easy way out. Other options require lots of effort, it's not for everyone. It's somewhat acceptable, but when I see something like this from the user's perspective:

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz