m0xEE @m0xee@librem.one

@nyanide
> the libs
OpenSSL? 🤓

@p @vic
Does it have to do specifically with dbus? Of course not, FF does a plethora of questionable things, like audio input not working in FF without PulseAudio, so I have to use apulse — luckily the output works with alsa.
I agree with you — it should be optional, but IMO it doesn't make dbus itself bad.
I probably wouldn't even have a problem with systemd — were it modular (and less bug-infested😏), BTW this would fit nicely with your approach: don't need the horse — throw it the fuck out!

@p @vic
I just tried stopping it (instead of restarting) and killing all instances of dbus-daemon running as user — again, nothing special happened, except for… yeah, Firefox — it didn't segfault though, terminated gracefully with something like "channel closed".
Ironically, I can start Firefox again without dbus running, dbus doesn't get spawned and FF works fine.
Well, what can I say… It's odd, it's lame, but so is its developers design decision.

@teratology @p @vic
And even if I don't like the binaries they ship, xbps-src allows me to hack on things easily, for example I despise WebP and I build most software without support for it, even if it's not optional already, I can easily modify the template file to make it such, if it gets updated, I can always apply my changes on top of it and rebuild because void-packages is just a git repo.
Pretty much what I want from Gentoo — but without all the daunting fuckery, Void's amazing!

@teratology @p @vic
Yeah, I'm a huge fan — the only distro that suits me perfectly. Despite not having outdated software any problems with updates are quite rare and despite being flexible — I run it on about six machines of mine having vastly different roles and configurations, unlike with Gentoo, I do not spend countless hours servicing them after every update.

@p @vic
> If I kill dbus, a bunch of shit crashes.
I suppose it depends on the distro, how deeply it integrates it and how modular it assumes it to be.
I have just restarted dbus in my Void system (where I even have elogind) — literally nothing started falling apart, no user-facing software crashed or got terminated, bluetoothd got restarted — that's it 🤷

@nyanide
Maybe even scare them… 𝔥𝔬𝔯𝔯𝔦𝔡 𝔠𝔬𝔡𝔢 😱

@p @vic
> It has that to support the stupid web GUI, and the web GUI
I don't think it's only used by luci — it's also used to notify daemons when the state of interfaces changes. Can you get away not using it? You certainly can, you can use sockets to notify every daemon individually, but at some point you would still want something to broadcast such messages, ubus fills the role just fine. Again, you can easily replace it with another implementation or not use it at all, nothing like systemd.

@p @vic
> It's like a DE. I don't want a DE. People ask how you can have a widget tray without a DE. I don't want a widget tray.
Same here, I have machines that do not have dbus, but I have no problem running it on the ones where I can benefit from it — seriously, among these things it's the only one I have zero problems with. Overengineered — sure, but it's nowhere near as buggy as systemd and it's fully modular: you can easily replace it with another thing and you can even not have it at all.

@perplestuff
> oomfies
Out of memory… fuckers? 🤔

@chris @hanse_mina
But this time it's not the Great Britain that does it, this time the Germany is on board with this too and they do not seem to mind — so it's definitely going to work this time… right? 🙃

@p
What's wrong with dbus though? Something has to fill the role of IPC to pass messages between daemons and other software that isn't… you know, a named socket — something higher level 😅
Even OpenWRT — which doesn't have all the luxuries of a full-blown system, has ubus.
@vic

@rvps2001
>“Moriarty”, the masked figurehead of the largest darknet market, Mega, regularly taunts the Russian authorities, who have failed to arrest the masterminds
Ha-ha-ha-ha! Do they even pretend that all of this is happening without authorities' approval? 🤣

@PixDeVl @Yuvalne @aram
Bussiness end of the music industry was fucked up in the 90s — early 2000s, people were starting to look into p2p for music. For those on the bussiness end of thing seeking new revenue models was a logical thing to do — and they have found it with streaming, but I'm clueless at to why people — the consumers went with it🤷
The artists in this case just followed suit — they still have bills to pay and they started looking into what could help them make a few more bucks.

@PixDeVl @Yuvalne @aram
Streaming subscription model was flawed from the get go: commodification of music, of art. Commodification is what rent seekers want — they want to turn everything into a commodity and include it on your utilities bill forever — that is not what those who create art and those who appreciate art want, at least that is what I thought — but no, a lot of people were perfectly fine with it.