m0xEE @m0xee@librem.one
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Joined Nov 2020
@gemlog
> My first thought for Decemberists for example came from the USA state of Oregon
Ha-ha-ha-ha! I actually though about that: maybe I should note that I'm not referring to the band, but won't that be rude? 🤔
And yes, sorry, sometimes you sound so well-versed in current state of Russian affairs that I get carried away and speak as if you know the same things I do which can't always be true 😆
@m0xEE @anniemo71
@greentext
My thoughts exactly every time I read this "be me". Hell no, I don't want that 🤣
@re9177 To deez nuts? 🤔
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@moffintosh
I don't think that centrists are those who don't have any opinion, but maybe I'm just preoccupied by concept of radical center. And they aren't those who thing that what we have now is the best solution possible — there is always room for improvement, but choices we need to make, do not necessarily have to clearly align with either left or right.
For me centrism is also deeply grounded in reality: this is what we have now, what can we do to make it better in the foreseeable future? So it doesn't get down to chasing some pipe dream — this might make it look like it's aligning with status quo. Progressives might say: but that is not good enough — and that is often true, it isn't, but that doesn't mean we should start breaking things. Just set a clear goal and always keep it in mind — making baby steps in the right direction is better than making huge leaps in the wrong one.
And of course centrists are not those who are "Let's just all hold hands and go into brighter future": you have to make choices, you have to make sacrifices — some of your choices might alienate one group or the other — you are not strawberry ice cream for everyone to love you. But it still doesn't mean we have to get rid of some group to have all our problems solved — this had never worked and it won't work now. That is the problem with all that "eating the rich" and getting rid of authority — is the world where everyone is poor and has no control over anything really what you want? I think not — but it doesn't mean we should treat those with wealth and power as some sort of demiurges who gave us all the good things — they are not, they, or some of their ancestors might have done some good things, but now they are just using their wealth and power to prevent others from taking their place. Yet, there is no "revolution of proletariat", like John Lennon said in his song: working class hero is something (yet) to be. It'd be just another revolution for one group to replace other group in power using proletariat as a tool. Aristocracy just gets replaced by capitalists or nomenklatura like in USSR — and most people are just getting fucked, again!
What we all want is not world without rich, but world where wealth is more evenly distributed and where more people take part in decision making. Those who do better job should still be rewarded more — I was born in USSR and I've seen what happens when it's not this way: some just do job with dignity, but not doing 400% of plan, a lot of others are just drunk at lunch because they don't fucking care. But of course that doesn't mean that those who can't do better should live in slums. We should also not strive for getting rid of private property, what we want in reality is to prevent few from owning everything and the rest from owning nothing. We should also not try to get rid of social classes — just make it more transparent and make social mobility easier. We shouldn't get rid of nations either — we just have to learn how to co-exist together, and it'd be way easier when people get just live their life instead of constantly struggling to make ends meet.
This is kinda what the left want, but it's also kinda what the right want, and it is a lot like status quo — just way better balanced, this is centrism! So why don't we all just hold hands… 🤣
@m0xee @thor
I don't think that centrists are those who don't have any opinion, but maybe I'm just preoccupied by concept of radical center. And they aren't those who thing that what we have now is the best solution possible — there is always room for improvement, but choices we need to make, do not necessarily have to clearly align with either left or right.
For me centrism is also deeply grounded in reality: this is what we have now, what can we do to make it better in the foreseeable future? So it doesn't get down to chasing some pipe dream — this might make it look like it's aligning with status quo. Progressives might say: but that is not good enough — and that is often true, it isn't, but that doesn't mean we should start breaking things. Just set a clear goal and always keep it in mind — making baby steps in the right direction is better than making huge leaps in the wrong one.
And of course centrists are not those who are "Let's just all hold hands and go into brighter future": you have to make choices, you have to make sacrifices — some of your choices might alienate one group or the other — you are not strawberry ice cream for everyone to love you. But it still doesn't mean we have to get rid of some group to have all our problems solved — this had never worked and it won't work now. That is the problem with all that "eating the rich" and getting rid of authority — is the world where everyone is poor and has no control over anything really what you want? I think not — but it doesn't mean we should treat those with wealth and power as some sort of demiurges who gave us all the good things — they are not, they, or some of their ancestors might have done some good things, but now they are just using their wealth and power to prevent others from taking their place. Yet, there is no "revolution of proletariat", like John Lennon said in his song: working class hero is something (yet) to be. It'd be just another revolution for one group to replace other group in power using proletariat as a tool. Aristocracy just gets replaced by capitalists or nomenklatura like in USSR — and most people are just getting fucked, again!
What we all want is not world without rich, but world where wealth is more evenly distributed and where more people take part in decision making. Those who do better job should still be rewarded more — I was born in USSR and I've seen what happens when it's not this way: some just do job with dignity, but not doing 400% of plan, a lot of others are just drunk at lunch because they don't fucking care. But of course that doesn't mean that those who can't do better should live in slums. We should also not strive for getting rid of private property, what we want in reality is to prevent few from owning everything and the rest from owning nothing. We should also not try to get rid of social classes — just make it more transparent and make social mobility easier. We shouldn't get rid of nations either — we just have to learn how to co-exist together, and it'd be way easier when people get just live their life instead of constantly struggling to make ends meet.
This is kinda what the left want, but it's also kinda what the right want, and it is a lot like status quo — just way better balanced, this is centrism! So why don't we all just hold hands… 🤣
@m0xee @thor
@jeff Sorry, I have probably digressed from your original thought — it's just another thread I'm partaking in and I'm lumping several problems together without realizing it 😅
@jeff You're right though, the solution is not even being explored. The concept of having a clear enemy is so easy to grasp that everyone uses it to sway people — and people are just getting caught in the moment, bashing some other group that often has zero to do with their problems. Shit — even I get caught into that sometimes. Always asking yourself "Does this really make my life any better?" is hard and the answer is often unpleasant, so most just don't do that.
@jeff
> all activism is state sponsored
Correct, but this wasn't my point. Not everyone is being paid directly to do stupid shit — that's just not cost effective. Paying to those who can convince a lot of people to do stupid shit — now we're playing!
A lot of people are deceived into believing total garbage: okay, what I do might look like stupid shit — but I'm doing it for a good cause, I'm a good person, right?
No, you are not — just take a step back and look at that, it's still stupid shit🤷♀️
@thor I think it's often exactly this way, they don't even want their group to win — they want the other one to lose.
Ensuring your victory means just doing your thing no matter what and that is often… boring. On the other hand the concept that some other group prevents you from doing this thing is wrong, but very easy to grasp — that is why a lot of people fall for it.
@thor What about this win-win thing, looks like no one really wants it? 😏
@thor I think they hate centrists because centrists want everyone to come to a reasonable conclusion and that will deprive them of their "fun" bashing each other 😅
@jeff You're probably talking about some "eco-activism", but it works the same way for everything: fighting for women's rights isn't hating men, fighting for black rights is not hating white. It doesn't do anyone any good, it only atomizes the society and everyone loses except for those in power and corpos.
@jeff My exact words! Some refuse to believe because the declared goal of such "activists" is good, and it often really is — it's just what they do doesn't make them (or anyone) closer to that goal.
> sabotage on behalf of the corpos
More often on behalf of their own stupidity — corpos indeed benefit from what these people do, but most aren't even getting paid for that, they are just being played.
@anniemo71
It's when you install another system on top of the one you already have into a subfolder instead of replacing it. This system can't run independently from the one you already have, but might offer a completely different experience, often more fulfilling.
It's a workaround used when you can't replace the original system — not as good, but still better than not having an alternative.
@gemlog
@inhosin Бывает и хуже: когда получилось доехать — и всё равно ни одной фотографии, как-то не до этого было 😂
@theorytoe I think he has a vastly different idea of what being based is than most people using the word "based" 😂
@GrungeQueef
vent, ph
@jeff Spot on! It looks like a lot of people aren't trying to have your sympathy anymore, but do their best being as annoying as possible so you can agree with them only for them to fuck off 🤣
@theorytoe When I've been enrolling into University I attended lectures for students like me and there was this one lecturer who told us: "You can actually solve scientific problems with voting",— he asked us a question and gave us four choices, the correct one was of course the least popular: "See, it's not that hard?" 😂
- Experimental PPC-related (and hosted) instance — now with ✨snac2✨, so I hope it won't be down 90% of time 😏
- https://nosh0b10.m0xEE.Net/m0xEE
None
Just in case: DMs/PMs simply don't exist on this instance as concept — don't use them, use the other instance if you absolutely have to, or send an email to any address at m0xEE.Net or .Com or .Org, but I prefer keep most communication public.
Joined Nov 2020
