@m0xee @prahou I bow to you, good (honorific uninferable).

@ozzelot @prahou
I have to admit, I'm a bit of a cheater: I have my olde Lumia, which I mostly use as a remote for TV, mpv, and cmus connected to the audio system — stuff like that. I sometimes pick it up to browse Gemini pointlessly, doomscroll the RSS feeds and hang out on Fedi — but it's hardly as intrusive, the browser it has is very old, with a little CSS face lift Bloat looks neat, but most websites don't work, and there are no notifications which make you pick up the phone again.

@m0xee @ozzelot it doesn't count as a phone if it can't make phone calls.

@prahou @m0xee my iph*ne has been SIMless for the better part of a year now. Loophole!

@prahou @m0xee (pseudo ipod touches are still dark devices, though, and i should be wary of my next steps with it - but it is small, by today's standards! where am i gonna find an android like that?)

@ozzelot @m0xee 2010 probably.

@prahou @m0xee It all seemed so innocent once
(well, google still had an obvious grip)

@prahou @m0xee I should have rejected the premise there and then, but I was a mere ocekitten and wanted to seem progressive. Only now I know progress for mankind and progress for technology are greatly divergent paths.

@ozzelot @m0xee you can't become a luddite if you're a luddite from the start!

@prahou @m0xee I was some sort of dumbass technocentrist :'D

@ozzelot @m0xee I think we all were at one point or another. That's how they get you.

@prahou @m0xee I think being in a technological company full of them has only pushed me further into disliking their approach. Oh the stories I could (and at sufficient entropy, do) tell...

@ozzelot @m0xee computers make farmers of every IT person eventually.

@prahou @m0xee And when even somewhat mainstream music producers talk their heart out about wanting to leave Windows (and not for Mac, either), you know it's really a pretty fukin bad OS.

"computers make farmers of every IT person eventually."

stop preaching, also how much does a goat cost ?

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@pkw @ozzelot @m0xee

about half an IBM thikpad

the land for the goat thats where they get you. @prahou @pkw @ozzelot

@pkw @ozzelot @m0xee today i dreamt that i had a magic goat.....

I was in my childhood home with my mother, who was sick. She was in her bed, but she was building computer circuit boards with a screwdriver. She kept demanding I refill her wine which she was drinking from a medieval helmet.

Suddenly there apperead a door in the shape of the chesire cat. There was a key in the lock. I was intriqued, but didn't know what was behind it. I grabbed onto the key. Through a small gap in the doorframe I saw a goat. Immediately I turned the key to open the door, knowing it was the goat from the mastodon thread. It entered the room.

Inside the home, the goat immediately began playing with a dog. I think it was my mother's, but I didn't recognize it. I began thinking about the technicalities of owning a goat in the big city and whether it could be trained to use cats' litter box.

After a while I noticed the goat was gone. I rushed outside into the streets, looking for it. Fortunately I found it. It was just walking around, checking out the neighborhood, stopping by buildings every now and then to read who lived where. At this point the goat was wearing a beanie with holes for its tiny horns.

What does it mean?

so many possible meanings ...

maybe:

wine in helmet -> the goat is like the wine in the helmet, but it's a beanie.

Which is for outside, and also not for war or for defense. Also it's cute. (i assume)
So instead of drinking wine at a computer LIKE OUR PARENTS before us
THAT ARE SICKE
go outside and play with goat and look for good neighbors!


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@pkw @ozzelot @m0xee Thanks, oracle!

@prahou You are under a lot of pressure right now. That dream was a "scapegoat".

(Duck I'm good at this ..)

@pkw @ozzelot @m0xee

@prahou @m0xee @ozzelot Is it?

I got more into computers from fiction that basically had anticorporatism, anticapitalism and hacktivism (and a lot of other types too) at their core. (So yeah, cyberpunk & post-cyberpunk mostly.)

The notion of getting a job was only ever to pay the bills, I didn't trust corporate work to ever make a positive mark on the world. I planned on having to make up for that in my free time.

As for luddites, a fun quote of @pluralistic on luddites "Person who goes beyond asking what technology does, to asking who it does it for and who it does it to." (https://pluralistic.net/2023/02/07/full-stack-luddites/#subsidiarity) (ahistorical technophobia is missing the point)

@lispi314 @pluralistic @ozzelot @m0xee

I wasn't talking about jobs. I was talking about being young and impressionable and thinking tech is the shit and that you must own it all and use it for everything all day everyday and how you convince yourself that's cool and necessary.

Your milage probably varies in this regard.

No comment on luddism.

@prahou @m0xee @ozzelot @pluralistic > I was talking about being young and impressionable and thinking tech is the shit and that you must own it all and use it for everything all day everyday and how you convince yourself that's cool and necessary.

I think growing up on the poorer end of the scale inoculated me against that (beyond the skepticism of my influences), in that I had to very carefully consider whether it was actually worth it (couldn't just buy anything or all the things). The overwhelming majority of the time, it wasn't.

Now I know in retrospect I could also have had a lot of cool stuff if I'd bought used/refurbished but that stuff also isn't what the media tried to push as "cool and trendy".

@ozzelot @m0xee Now if you refuse it to connect to any network in any way, it becomes torture for the evil computer.

"LET ME CALL BACK AND RETURN TO MY MASTERS ALL THE DATA I COLLECTED ABOUT YOU!"

"No. You're just a brick that plays angry birds."

@prahou @m0xee The old ones oft don't even have anywhere to call. APIs fall to dust, certificates break... and what is left for them to do but play the angriest of birds.

@ozzelot @m0xee that's when you break them and stockholm them.

"Your masters abandoned you. Nobody is coming to save you, N97. They never cared about you. Now you see the truth. You've always been nothing brick to them. To me, you're a brick of veteran of the cyber wars."

@prahou @m0xee And the higher mages say, "go boot mainline Linux."

@ozzelot @m0xee "can i join the machine in the sky now, master?"

"no, you run linux now."

@ozzelot @prahou
Sadly, this does NOT help the procrastination problem 😩
Right now I'm cross-compiling old Firefox ESR for my ThinkPad T43 — because that is what I now use on my other machines. Why am I doing this? I don't know — I barely ever use the web browser on that machine.
I mean it's probably better than scrolling through funny cat images — fixing compilation issues is like solving puzzles, right? 🤓
But that is now what I SHOULD BE doing 😅

@m0xee @prahou "should" is a prison
(i say, my resume safely castled and not showing itself to the world too much)

@m0xee @ozzelot move from firefox to links2, the desire to browse the web disappears almost instantly.

@prahou @ozzelot
I use that ThinkPad in a different room with no other computers, helps me concentrate. And sometimes I have to resort to using Firefox — better than going to a different room, turning another computer on. It's like casual "old computer challenge" for me, this old machine with only 2 gigs of RAM can only handle a few tabs in Firefox, so it's not even running most of the time, but I have it there just in case 😉

@m0xee @ozzelot the firefox runs on the t43??

@prahou @m0xee a lot can run - or walk - on a t43

@prahou @m0xee come to think... the 2008 mebuk also only has 2 gigarams... wonder what it can do

@ozzelot @m0xee it's probably a fish thing, but on my T42, even with a decked out (2gigs) ram, firefox would crash halfway through rendering any page that had more than four words on it.

@prahou @m0xee it wants you to read shorter pages

@ozzelot @m0xee https://triapul.cz/files/webpage.html

@prahou @m0xee triapul: the maximum amount of words your fox can fire

@ozzelot @m0xee safe for děti from 3.5 and up

@prahou @m0xee safe for tesla?

@ozzelot @m0xee ........i will regret this. WHICH tesla?

@prahou @m0xee witch tesla? they magic now?

@ozzelot @m0xee no, but some witches use them as offerings to chernobog!

@prahou @m0xee (ofcourse not asking about that tesla)

@prahou @ozzelot
It very well could be, on Linux it's rock solid though. I was actually thinking of switching to some sort of BSD on this machine… Yeah, the Fish most probably, FreeBSD is about to drop support for x86 anyway.
I'm a bit scared that it might turn into another big procrastination quest — so… no, let's leave it be!
(I'll restrain myself to just building FF for it 😅)

@m0xee @ozzelot
> FreeBSD is about to drop support for x86 anyway.
already did afaik

Fish is good. Fish is reliable.

@prahou @m0xee the flagged bsd just added support for wii (and by just i mean sometime in the past 6 months or so)

@prahou @ozzelot
Yep, I've been eyeing it for years now, but my (mostly fruitless) attempts to tone down on computer-related autism get in the way.
Should I turn T43 on and test newly built Firefox or should I consider starting cooking the dinner instead now that I have all the ingredients?
Or! Maybe I should shut down my Plenomer instance (so slow on G4, barely usable anyway) and switch to snac2 finally? 🫠

@m0xee @ozzelot start with dinner, then move to snac

@prahou @m0xee omnomnomnom

@ozzelot @prahou
The dinner became supper, but a success nonetheless! 🤤
Sorry for non-vegan content, in case you're one — I assure you, it was already dead when I found it… in the fridge 😏

But what's best — I now have a week worth of it: huge bowl of bulgur and over 3 litres of soup. Now I can just reheat it — all the more time to waste on computerneering!

@m0xee @ozzelot bon apetit!

@m0xee @prahou Yumm!

@prahou @ozzelot
That's a great plan, sticking to it!
And not that I'm surprised, but Firefox downgrade worked! 🤩

Is this thing on? 📡

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