Elias @eliasr@librem.one

@cas saying "as required by recent laws" indicates a mindset that "what we do here is to implement laws. States make laws, we implement them. That is what this software is about: compliance with laws."

And I think such a mindset goes against the idea of free software.

> I hope i don't just come across as contrarian

I appreciate your answer, and I'm sorry I only answered parts of it!

@pid_eins

@cas

Anyway I think you kind of missed the point I was trying to make: I am not critical of the code change itself, what I am critical of is the way it was presented.

To clarify precisely what I mean, it's the first sentence in this PR: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/40954 which says:

"Stores the user's birth date for age verification, as required by recent laws in California (AB-1043), Colorado (SB26-051), Brazil (Lei 15.211/2025), etc."

I don't like that framing of the code change.

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@pid_eins

@cas

> how are the requirements of law different to
> the requirements of (for example) a security minded individual,
> or an enterprise customer?

It sounds like you are assuming that the law is always good, that the state (making laws) is always good. I think taking a look around the world today makes it pretty clear that this is not the case. The state can be really bad, laws can be really bad.

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@pid_eins

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@pid_eins @cas I guess in some way it comes down to "who is the software for?"

A piece of libre software is for the users, it serves the user and does what the user wants (which may or may not be the same thing that lawmakers in some country want). It's not a tool for governments to enforce laws.

Of course, when there is a FOSS license users can always do what they want anyway. But saying that changes are because of laws risks giving the wrong impression.

Do you see what I mean?

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@pid_eins @cas I think the way the code change is motivated has some importance here.

Normally, in a FOSS project when some change is made it's to make things better for users. The change was requested by users, and doing the change makes users happy.

If instead you start motivating code changes with "we change this because of this-and-that law", then that does not feel right to me.

Perhaps many users do want the change, but in that case better refer to user demand instead of laws.

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