Elias @eliasr@librem.one

@josefinisthlm helt okej hittills tycker jag!

Sammanfattning av öppet möte 39 om att bygga egen e-leg-lösning, 1 dec 2025

https://mailman.dfri.se/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/eleg-projekt@lists.dfri.se/thread/HDU6DBGPPYG5I4YEPTEYUXVIQNBZKXAI/

Fri och öppen programvara, öppen specifikation, tillgänglighet, decentralisering.

Mer om projektet: https://www.dfri.se/projekt/e-legitimation/

Nästa möte är 2026-01-05 kl 18. Välkomna att vara med då oavsett om du varit med tidigare eller ej, alla välkomna!

https://play.dfri.se/w/iqBpKaUzKpG3BCLqEg5Vhh #PeerTube

#DFRI #FOSS #FLOSS #FreeSoftware #FriProgramvara #eID #EIDAS #MyData #eleg #elegitimation #demokrati

@dfri @fps_gbg

@tina det finns något som heter Electronic Frontier Finland (Effi)

Det står lite om det här https://edri.org/our-work/member-spotlight-electronic-frontier-finland/

Deras hemsida är mest på finska verkar det som https://effi.org/

@LearnToLivePrivate

> Open source is a verifiability situation
> and like GrapheneOS said it does not imply privacy or security.

Nobody here claimed that it implies anything. My point is that having control of your own device is a necessary first step towards privacy or security.

If someone else can login to your device and do whatever they want, then you are not secure, and you are not private. It's also misleading to call it "your" device, it's really their device because they control it.

@2babcc@mastodon.social thanks for explaining why you trust Apple.

I'd be curious to hear how you view the size of Apple as a company. It's one of the very largest companies in the world by market cap. Are you not worried that Apple is too big for any meaningful competition to happen? If Google were to merge with Apple into a single huge company, would that in your view be even better than the situation we have today? (in my view that's a nightmare scenario)

@GrapheneOS @janvlug @patrick @harld

@GrapheneOS you wrote:

> The purpose of our project is not advancing ideological beliefs

But the position you are taking here is deeply ideological and political.

You defend a world order where a single central authority (Apple) has complete power over people. Apparently you want people to think that they have "privacy" and "security" when they are under central control in that way.

You are entitled to your opinion, but do not pretend it's not ideological.

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@janvlug @patrick @harld

@GrapheneOS

Thanks for the replies, but you are still not answering my question.

An iPhone user is completely owned by Apple. How can that be acceptable to you?

You say you want to provide accurate info, but to me it seems you are actually deceiving people by pretending that it does not matter that someone else has root access on their devices.

Apple has enormous control over their users, it's really bad. I still don't understand why you are defending Apple.

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@janvlug @patrick @harld

@hund bra! Dra med fler dit också om du kan :-) @ulug

Öppet möte om hur vi kan bygga en decentraliserad lösning för fri och öppen e-legitimation, måndag 1 dec klockan 18:

https://mailman.dfri.se/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/eleg-projekt@lists.dfri.se/thread/TXWCV2QJJAZOB3UI6HFY53DA6I4YMBTU/

Alla är välkomna!

Fri och öppen programvara, öppen specifikation, tillgänglighet, decentralisering.

Läs mer om projektet här https://www.dfri.se/projekt/e-legitimation

Projektet var med på konferensen #SamNet nyligen: https://play.dfri.se/w/iqBpKaUzKpG3BCLqEg5Vhh - #peertube

#DFRI #FOSS #FLOSS #FreeSoftware #eID #EIDAS #MyData #eleg #elegitimation #demokrati @dfri

@sebastian that mikelovesrobots also says this, which I think sums up the situation nicely:

> This whole thing is bullshit.

@skjeggtroll @datarama @regehr

@Wuzzy great, thanks!

@potatisapan @ulug jag tycker det är alldeles lysande att biblioteket gör den typen av saker. Det borde alla bibliotek göra! Hoppas det kommer mer sånt och på andra ställen också.

@meraord är den nya säsongen bra?

This is awesome: the public library in Uppsala, Sweden, has an upcoming workshop called "Give your computer new life - try Linux"

At Stadsbiblioteket (the city library) in Uppsala on Saturday 2025-12-06 at 11:00 - 15:00, together with Uppsala Linux User Group (ULUG)

https://bibliotekuppsala.se/evenemang#/events/7962dc29-d22d-4b36-a941-3586c0516d17?location=Stadsbiblioteket

@ulug #uppsala #linux #ulug #library #foss

@antoinechambertloir

> "GPT-5 reproduced Alon’s proof and passed it along to us without realizing its source"

This kind of highlights the core functionality of such systems: it's a plagiarism machine. It's truly "useful" if your goal is to throw away authorship information and present something as new, produced by you or your "intelligent" system. The obvious main usecase is fraud.

For anyone interested in honesty and facts, much better to use a search engine that could point to the source.