Misschien toch eens GrapheneOS gaan installeren.
"GrapheneOS haalt servers weg uit Frankrijk: 'Land is niet veilig voor open source' - Security.NL"
Ik heb het bericht van @GrapheneOS even opgezocht:
Ik twijfel erg omdat banking apps vaak problemen geven. En dat is wel een van mijn belangrijkste.
@harld @janvlug @GrapheneOS Voor die banking apps op Graphene is er een mooi overzicht. Mijn grootste bezwaar is dat ik dan een Pixel zou moeten aanschaffen hiervoor - en daar heb ik geen zin in.
Ik wil ook niet een Google-telefoon aanschaffen om los te staan van big tech. Daarom gebruik ik een #Librem5. Dat geeft wel wat ongemak, maar ik heb mijn vrijheid. Purism is écht volledig gericht op #privacy, #security en #FOSS (#opensource).
Bankieren bij #ASNBank doe ik voornamelijk via de webbrowser met de #browsercode. Alleen grote bedragen kan zo niet. Daarvoor en ook voor identificatie moe(s)t in naar een kantoor. Ik moet nog overschrijfformulieren aanvragen.
@janvlug @patrick @harld Librem 5 devices have extraordinarily poor privacy and security for hardware, firmware and software compared to a mainstream device such as an iPhone. Their devices have a regular closed source SoC (CPU, GPU, etc.) but it's ancient and doesn't provide modern security protections along with them not setting up basic security protections. The other components including memory, touchscreen, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cellular, etc. are all closed source. It's not open as claimed.
@janvlug @patrick @harld Many people buy used devices to use GrapheneOS. The most recent 3 generations (Pixel 8, 9 and 10) have 7 years of proper support from launch. See https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private for a major example of an OEM claiming to provide long term updates while not really doing it. Fairphone 5 kernel is end-of-life in December 2025 and the Fairphone 4 kernel was end-of-life in 2024 along with the basic backports and vendor patches being delayed 1-2 months despite early access to those.
@GrapheneOS it's interesting to see in this discussion how wildly different meanings different people assign to the words "security" and "privacy".
When you say that an iPhone is good for security and privacy, that sounds completely crazy to me. Let me explain why.
An iPhone user is completely owned by Apple. An iPhone user therefore has no privacy, and also no security. An iPhone user does not even attempt to achieve privacy or security.
Do you see what I mean?
@eliasr @janvlug @patrick @harld Your post isn't talking about either privacy or security. If you use a Fairphone with /e/, then you're trusting Fairphone and Murena who have both shown they do not take privacy and security seriously and mislead users about it. /e/ sends user data to OpenAI without consent for speech-to-text while Apple does that locally without a service. This is representative of the overall approach to privacy or lack thereof in /e/ without basic privacy/security patches.
@GrapheneOS I'm not talking about /e/ -- what I would like to understand is why you promote Apple so much.
That surprises me, because GrapheneOS is to my understanding FOSS, so I thought you had an understanding of why that's important.
Why is it so important for you to portray Apple's iphone as "secure" and "private"?
I'm repeating myself here, but an iPhone user is completely owned by Apple. How can that be acceptable to you?
@eliasr
Open source is a verifiability situation and like @GrapheneOS said it does not imply privacy or security.
> Open source is a verifiability situation
> and like GrapheneOS said it does not imply privacy or security.
Nobody here claimed that it implies anything. My point is that having control of your own device is a necessary first step towards privacy or security.
If someone else can login to your device and do whatever they want, then you are not secure, and you are not private. It's also misleading to call it "your" device, it's really their device because they control it.
@eliasr when there devices are patched more then a supposed privacy open source phone you can be a critic all day but that facts say other wise there not perfect and have flaws even I dont like which is why I use graphene os but i wont say there the worst option
@eliasr I agree iphones have there issues privacy wise in fact there services bypass vpn's but that is besides the point and graphene os is right they are much more private and secure then people give them credit for.