@opensourceopenmind @dos @chesterdott Librem 5 (or any other Linux phone) means you should use browser on cases that have "applications" on Android. therefor, browsers should be optimized well good HW (CPU and RAM) is essential.

@bhyoram @opensourceopenmind @dos Right, that's the other issues, I'd need to use some android exclusive apps (banking, etc). I'm not even sure that they run without Google Play services.
An alternative would be to carry 2 phones.

I live in the EU, not sure if libre phone ships here (or is even compatible with our networks, but perhaps today it's all standardized).

Thank you all for the replies!
#linuxphones #freephones

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos My "Andoid needs" are humble enough for waydroid from time to time I'm forced to use browser, which involves both performance and rendering issues on Librem5.

@bhyoram @opensourceopenmind @dos it uses epiphany/gnome-web right? And websites today are too heavy for the intent hardware, is that what you mean?

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos Yes, and it's similar experience with Firefox (which needs specific configuration for mobile) and with Angelfish. beside of "heaviness", many sites insist to display a desktop-oriented layout on Linux phones, makes them less usable.

@bhyoram @opensourceopenmind @dos Right, if gnome is going for ana adaptsble desktop (unified stack for desktop and mobile) the browsers must be clever to get the mobile version st certain resolutions.

I think Firefox does that by default, perhaps gnome-web doesn't yet?

@chesterdott @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind In my experience it's usually just a matter of setting the right user-agent string. It's hard to find one that works well everywhere, but with Epiphany you can change it per webapp so it's not a big deal (well, at least not for me )

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos Firefox does it better in some cases, assuming it has the mobile configuration tweaks (available in Debian at least). performance-wise, it sucks on Librem5

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos Firefox also has support for camera via pipewire, which is useful on Librem5. Epiphany and Angelfish can probably reuse the pipewire support that is exist on chromium, but they don't.

@bhyoram @opensourceopenmind @dos So much left to do, so little funding...

If FLOSS had the same funding as the big US corpos, we'd be leaps and bounds ahead of them!

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos Agreed. That's why I don't complain about the prices of purism products (for example) and I tolerated many delays. On the other hand, @purism gave me tech support in level and forms that you can't find with other providers. Also, the ability to run phones with mainstream Linux distributions (unlike SailfishOS or WebOS) is an important step of the last few years.

@bhyoram @chesterdott @opensourceopenmind Current versions of Firefox fall back to software WebRender because of lack of GLES3 and that shows. It used to be faster and is going to be again once etnaviv gets there.

@chesterdott @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind Ultimately it all boils down to your own individual needs and capabilities. My bank's app works fine in Waydroid and lets me do all the stuff I need in it. The browser's still fast enough IME for the most part, though the Web getting heavier with time is a constant fact of life. I can deal with its battery life too. It serves all my needs as my daily driver - but that's me. Other people's needs are different and you have to do your own research.

@chesterdott @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind That said, I'm in the EU too (PL) - and while backing it was pricey indeed, it was not so bad after all considering that several years later I'm still not even looking for a replacement

@dos @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind True.
The other day a person showed me his phone, an iphone 9 (or was it 10) . an anniversary iphone, that he had been using since 10 years ago.
Could that be true? Does Apple support their phones that long?

Or was it b******t ?

@dos @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind

PL? Loved Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 (even at launch) !