@agx Not today 😄

But sooner than later I think!

@dos I have some rough workspace patches so we can aim for per app workspaces in auto-maximize mode. That would likely help here when there's a modal dialog that would otherwise pop into existence when activating the app (or for situations where the user activates the modal dialog in the overview and the app would pop into existence). We could just render out the whole "workspace" instead than just the view.

@chesterdott @dos If you can afford it, buy a Liberty Phone from @purism.

Otherwise, try playing around with a used OnePlus 6/6T running #postmarketOS.

@opensourceopenmind @chesterdott I think the regular Librem 5 gives a bit better bang for the buck 😁 That's what I'm using and I'm still happy with it.

@dos @chesterdott I agree PureOS did feel more stable in my experience : ) I'm just too greedy for new features... hope to switch back to the Crimson release once it's out.

@opensourceopenmind @dos @chesterdott Librem 5 (or any other Linux phone) means you should use browser on cases that have "applications" on Android. therefor, browsers should be optimized well good HW (CPU and RAM) is essential.

@bhyoram @opensourceopenmind @dos Right, that's the other issues, I'd need to use some android exclusive apps (banking, etc). I'm not even sure that they run without Google Play services.
An alternative would be to carry 2 phones.

I live in the EU, not sure if libre phone ships here (or is even compatible with our networks, but perhaps today it's all standardized).

Thank you all for the replies!
#linuxphones #freephones

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos My "Andoid needs" are humble enough for waydroid from time to time I'm forced to use browser, which involves both performance and rendering issues on Librem5.

@bhyoram @opensourceopenmind @dos it uses epiphany/gnome-web right? And websites today are too heavy for the intent hardware, is that what you mean?

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos Yes, and it's similar experience with Firefox (which needs specific configuration for mobile) and with Angelfish. beside of "heaviness", many sites insist to display a desktop-oriented layout on Linux phones, makes them less usable.

@bhyoram @opensourceopenmind @dos Right, if gnome is going for ana adaptsble desktop (unified stack for desktop and mobile) the browsers must be clever to get the mobile version st certain resolutions.

I think Firefox does that by default, perhaps gnome-web doesn't yet?

@chesterdott @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind In my experience it's usually just a matter of setting the right user-agent string. It's hard to find one that works well everywhere, but with Epiphany you can change it per webapp so it's not a big deal (well, at least not for me 😂)

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos Firefox does it better in some cases, assuming it has the mobile configuration tweaks (available in Debian at least). performance-wise, it sucks on Librem5

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos Firefox also has support for camera via pipewire, which is useful on Librem5. Epiphany and Angelfish can probably reuse the pipewire support that is exist on chromium, but they don't.

@bhyoram @opensourceopenmind @dos So much left to do, so little funding...

If FLOSS had the same funding as the big US corpos, we'd be leaps and bounds ahead of them!

@chesterdott @opensourceopenmind @dos Agreed. That's why I don't complain about the prices of purism products (for example) and I tolerated many delays. On the other hand, @purism gave me tech support in level and forms that you can't find with other providers. Also, the ability to run phones with mainstream Linux distributions (unlike SailfishOS or WebOS) is an important step of the last few years.

@bhyoram @chesterdott @opensourceopenmind Current versions of Firefox fall back to software WebRender because of lack of GLES3 and that shows. It used to be faster and is going to be again once etnaviv gets there.

@chesterdott @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind Ultimately it all boils down to your own individual needs and capabilities. My bank's app works fine in Waydroid and lets me do all the stuff I need in it. The browser's still fast enough IME for the most part, though the Web getting heavier with time is a constant fact of life. I can deal with its battery life too. It serves all my needs as my daily driver - but that's me. Other people's needs are different and you have to do your own research.

@chesterdott @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind That said, I'm in the EU too (PL) - and while backing it was pricey indeed, it was not so bad after all considering that several years later I'm still not even looking for a replacement 😁

@dos @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind True.
The other day a person showed me his phone, an iphone 9 (or was it 10) . an anniversary iphone, that he had been using since 10 years ago.
Could that be true? Does Apple support their phones that long?

Or was it b******t ?

@dos @bhyoram @opensourceopenmind

PL? Loved Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 (even at launch) !

@opensourceopenmind @dos @purism I'll check that phone out, thank you!

@opensourceopenmind @dos @purism I'm checking out purism website, no need to pester you lot.

@opensourceopenmind @dos @purism yeah, librem5 st 700-800$ is a bit. Plus now with future tariffs and customs processing fees.

That puts librem5 in the class of "well-off floss enthusiasts"

Kinds like how apple pricing makes it for "well-off creatives/right-brain people".

@opensourceopenmind @dos @purism hopefully one day a floss phone will appear for both "left and right-brain" people 🙂

Eh, one can dream right?

@chesterdott @dos Awesome you are interested! There are a few major distros that work with mobile Linux. Off the top of my head there are Mobian, which is Debian-based, postmarketOS, which is Alpine-based, Kupfer, which is Arch-based, and Mobile NixOS, which is... NixOS-based.

Then there are the Halium distros, which are "Linux" but run the downstream Android kernel. These usually (this has been changing recently) have more features than mobile Linux distros. These include Ubuntu Touch...

@chesterdott @dos ... Droidian, and (I believe) SailfishOS.

Personally, I recommend postmarketOS (totally not biased since I work on it), but you can try any you like and see what fits.

For devices, I recommend either the Oneplus 6(T) or the Google Pixel 3a. Both are really well-supported devices and are daily-driver-ready in most of the world (as far as I know. Cannot vouch for Africa or South America, ymmv.)

For postmarketOS we use Matrix or IRC. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Matrix_and_IRC

@chesterdott @dos I would recommend to buy a native #Linux #phone if you can afford it. In that way you are supporting Linux phone manufacturers. I'm using a #Librem5 as my daily driver. I can handle some inconvenience to gain freedom and support free and open source phones.
I daily enjoy the goodness of having a phone that is very similar to my Linux computers and that is totally accessible and configurable. A phone that I can understand and control.

@janvlug @dos My be time to start saving!

@janvlug @dos But I agree completely, I would prefer to go linux-native.

Damnit, we need subsidies for free phones, not OIL!!!!! 😠

@janvlug @dos free as in speech, though free as in beer would be nice, if we could speak freely 😉

@chesterdott @dos Answering the latter question: you can follow the #MobileLinux and #LinuxOnMobile hashtags here in the fediverse. Also, apart from following #postmarketOS, #Mobian, #UbuntuTouch and other projects directly, there's also (at least) one dedicated blog that can serve you better: @linmob

@RoboePi @dos @linmob Thank you, I was wondering around what hashtags was the community converging.

I was looking at #freephones and #linuxphones but I guess yours are where the people are at.

Thanks!

@chesterdott @dos @linmob Happy to help! :)

(By the way, your posts are marked as PT instead of EN, just so you are aware)

@RoboePi @dos @linmob oops! Mastodon mobile app doesn't detect English I guess... This is going to be tiresome to change language everytime 😕

Thank you for warning me!