@delta Yeah, it took a few more seconds to upload the image. The little animated circle icon was probably indicating that. Whereas plain text is very close to instant. Not a problem, just obviously needs to transfer more data.

@adam ah yes. btw, on the receiving side of a message you can go to "message details/info" and see the "hops" -- i.e. which time the message took at each of the hops between the sender and the receiver devices.

@delta Is that the tap & hold received message> "i" circle icon > Sent/Received time codes? Picture took 30 seconds according to that then, while text takes 4, but it felt way faster in the devices.

@adam yes. so the picture maybe was some MBs large. If you send it as a picture then, depending on your media settings, it should be compressed down. If you send it as a file (and not as media/image) then it's sent "as-is" even if it's large.

@delta Cool. Understood. Do the timestamps also include the time to send read receipts? That might explain how 4 seconds feels like 1 on the devices.

@adam not exactly sure. You could ask on the https://support.delta.chat forum (you can login via a qr-code scan btw) -- and just to be sure: if you or your friends ever setup multiple devices then make sure to read https://delta.chat/en/help#can-i-use-delta-chat-on-multiple-devices-at-the-same-time

@delta
I was planning on posting a suggestion to the forums that the error message include a link with better instructions! The "You may want to send an Autocrypt setup message from there" error is very vague! How!?

@adam we want to get rid of the need for autocrypt-setup by offering a direct "setup second device" UI workflow. it's in the works.

@delta Oh good! 'Cause as it is, that's going to be confusing for normal people.

@adam sure. We are doing our best to try to solve this and many other issues on five platforms ;)

@adam that said ... sure, send a suggestion there. It'd be in general a good idea to have links that go to (internationalized) explanations. a bit like whatsapp does it with "read/learn more" links.

@pescetarian Ha! Yes. I used this script (https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/emailwiz) on a cheap KVM VPS from here (https://www.racknerd.com/kvm-vps). Just learning how to do it.

@mcg @delta Just a regular email server that I'm only using for DeltaChat so far. No extra stuff like webmail or database storage or CardDAV/CalDAV.

@adam @delta Ah ok. Wondered if I had missed something new.

@mcg Yeah, me learning how to do it is what I was excited about. :)

@adam @mcg speaking of CalDav -- you could play with sending an "xdc" app to a chat that you can download here merlinux.eu/apps/calendar.xdc -- it uses https://webxdc.org tech which Delta Chat implements so you can have a shared calendar in any chat. (it's only a rudimentary app and it's safe to run it)

@delta
This calendar is one of the things I missed. Looks great and works for me so far quite well. Great.

Is there a reason not to have it on https://webxdc.org?

@devSJR it's not well tested and a bit simplistic but you are probably right that we could put it up.

@delta
Yes, it is simple but works. But keep in mind that you and the others do this in their spare time. Thanks!

@delta
BTW, I regularly look at the webxdc git commits. They give me the impression that the development is a bit stalled a hughe burst spring/summer last year. Is it just an impression?

@devSJR do you mean the webxdc org? Seen from delta chat it's still a "side development" as we are trying to harden and improve the base messenger experience .... But there are some upcoming webxdc things as well (not neccesarrily in the org though)

@delta
No, I mean on GitHub. But I can understand that. I have seen that there is a strong overlap between webxdc devs and DeltaChat devs. It is just more work. Keep up the good work.

@delta
BTW, I think it is good that you currently focus on bug fixing. The latest release addressed issues that others reported to me.

@delta
One theoretical question (not asking for a feature).
Could the calendar app have a reminder functionality? Or put differently. Can webxdc app run in the background to do some task (not opening/manual interaction of the app needed by a user)? I guess not.

@devSJR indeed, webxdc apps can not run in the background currently. It's not clear whether/how it could be made to work at least on some platforms. Requires experimentation.

@delta Ah, thanks. Interesting. I did not assume that this is platform dependent but something that is handled via `core`. I can imagine that this would/will add another level of complexity.

@devSJR it's about having a reliable way to run a webview in background .... for example on android ionic (which heavily uses webviews) provides https://ionicframework.com/docs/v3/native/background-mode/ but there are issues with recent android versions.

@delta
I see

@esmail @delta No, sorry my wording was confusing. I made my own regular Dovecot/Postfix server for use with DeltaChat. Learning how to do it is what I was excited about. :)

@adam ooooooh, gotcha. and indeed postfix is "exciting" to setup

took me a week to figure it out 😂 and congrats 🎉

@esmail Haha! Yes, I'm having the "Wow, it works!" feeling today. :D

@adam I'm really happy for you and enjoy it :D

and a little cheat sheet, use https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/emailwiz to deploy postfix faster 😉

@esmail That's exactly what I used this morning! :) Reading the script, I can see how it could have been much more work.

@adam well, common source 😂

@adam or mailcow, I love mailcow.

@esmail I'll have to learn mailcow another day. I tried https://yunohost.org, but that took up way too much server memory.

@adam mailcow uses docker and other containers so it will use a lot of memory too. your best bet is vanilla postfix.

mailcow is easy to use because it got services together tied up and ready to use, your webmail, caldav, even antivirus to scan attachments (but you can disable it to save memory)

@adam I think mailcow recommend memory is 2/4GB

@esmail Ah, thanks! Yeah, I'd need to use a better server for that probably.

@adam oh you need, mailcow is demanding. I'm lazy guy 😂

I use snikket instead of Prosody and mailcow instead of postfix. demanding but easy to setup