workspace_swipe_touch was just merged into #Hyprland; I would say this is almost a competitive #mobilelinux interface, but still not a perfect drop-in for sway. #hymo
@zachdecook gentle reminder that the hyprland community is not a safe space for marginalized folks to participate in
@drewdevault @zachdecook Can you elaborate? Do they have outright nazis running the place or welcome in it, or issues that are actionable like leadership not understanding how things they're doing are hostile/unsafe?
@dalias @zachdecook and fwiw I have a lot more private evidence that I have not disclosed; if you trust my word on the matter then take it as given that it's a fair bit worse than this blog post actually discloses
@drewdevault @dalias
I don't use [proprietary] Discord, though Vaxry claims that since Drew's contact "We managed to improve the situation drastically, and are now striving, more successfully than ever, to maintain an actually inclusive community revolving around Hyprland."
https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists (of course, I haven't seen that private evidence-- trust whoever, or no one)
@drewdevault @zachdecook @dalias I love how the blog post stems from someone posting a screenshot of him saying his community is more inclusive than queer spaces by virtue of allowing Nazis to be present and that not doing so is "far-left". Especially when considering recent political climates, it's hard to take this guy seriously.
@zachdecook @drewdevault @dalias
Please don't listen to Drew exclusively. There's multiple sides to the story... As someone in the community, I can say generally we are all kind and good-spirited people. Lumping us together with a few bad actors is something I would discourage.
All in all, we should really avoid these pointless conflicts and namecalling!
@luyu @zachdecook @drewdevault Is his blog post factually incorrect? Everything described there is giant red flags. Is leadership taking harassment and transphobia/other nazi shit seriously and giving anyone who does it the boot, or acting like it's nbd?
@dalias @zachdecook @drewdevault
A飞，sorry forgot to respond.
I would say definetly not. No one's promoting trans-hate or any distateful things, and the moderators are active in taking care of incidents.
Of course I'd recommend checking out the server instead of taking Drew's or my word for it.
@luyu @dalias @zachdecook fact of the matter is that the leadership and those responsible for setting good conduct standards are the same people and they are unrepentant and continually complain about being called out for bigoted and abusive behavior. QED.
@drewdevault @dalias @zachdecook
Excuse me?
There has been a lot of change to prevent further incidents like the one you mentioned by said people in power.
I'd encourage you to perhaps think a bit about what you're trying to achieve by grouping up a community, a lot of who are nice helpful and/or 'marginalized' people, as hateful or biggotted.
@drewdevault @dalias @zachdecook
I'll step out of this discussion now though, I really don't feel like arguing :)
Just please remember your words can hurt the nice and helpful people in the Hyprland community too Drew!
@luyu @drewdevault @zachdecook Oh wow I just read the first paragraph of the blog post that was supposedly evidence they've "improved" (https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists) and fucking nope. It's completely self damning. 🤦
@luyu @drewdevault @zachdecook Like, to answer my own question - Is leadership taking harassment and transphobia/other nazi shit seriously and giving anyone who does it the boot, or acting like it's nbd? - clearly the answer is no because they'd have to kick themselves out. 🙃
@dalias @drewdevault @zachdecook
Wrong blogpost! https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandCommunityChanges
The one you linked is about the guy going around calling Vaxry a n*zi :)
@luyu @drewdevault @zachdecook In which he demonstrates very clearly that he is...? 🤦
@luyu @drewdevault @zachdecook Like, if you write something that stupid and you're not actually proud to be a nazi, what you do is delete it, apologize profusely, and commit to changing.
Not leave it around and write vague blog posts on how you're making rules about being "respectful" (because respectful nazis are so much better than loud ones?) to solve the problem (that you got caught running a nazi bar).
Vaxry's "Changes to the Hyprland community" blog post is at https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandCommunityChanges
@zachdecook @dalias note that this blog post is not "how we fixed these problems in our community" but rather "why pointing out the problems in our community is killing FOSS"