@GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com Communists = Blame all problems on capitalists
Capitalists = blame all problems on communists
le shrug
@cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @Grandtheftautism @TheMadPirate @thebitchisback
@TheMadPirate Or we could just move past both antiquated paradigms and try something new. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
- https://the-mad-pirate-prints.teemill.com/
What's the intermediate point between Individualism and Collectivism ?
@TheMadPirate In regards to what? @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
@TheMadPirate Is there one? @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
The question whether the self exists as an individual independent being or if it exists as a dependent of the collective.
@TheMadPirate Well in that case I would have to say that there is no point because it's both simultaneously. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
How so?.
How can someone put self interest above collective interest AND collective interest above self interest AT THE SAME TIME?
@TheMadPirate Now you've veered into another area entirely. It's not that simple. That's like saying you can either be a sociopath or selfless saint. When it comes to interest as opposed to existence most people try to do their best to go through life existing in a larger society of individuals like them trying to do the best they can when they can for themselves and others. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
There is no such thing as a relative morality. Not really, since you end up falling in a contradiction sooner or later.
@TheMadPirate Whoa geeze my head is spinning from all this subject hopping. Human beings themselves are contradictions so it makes sense that we would live in a world with no objective morality. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
Not really.
If you start by analyzing the individual self interest and the situation context, you will see that humans are pretty consistent with their morality.
The only apparent paradox apears when you lump humans into groups and try to apply categorical imperatives.
Or better said, how can you work to earn the money for your own survival and let all your money be taken away from you to feed strangers at the same time?
@TheMadPirate You're the only person I've ever seen talk about feeding hungry people as a bad thing. The fact is we human beings need one another. I want to live in a society where people care about the welfare of one another. If you don't want to live in a society you can always go rely on your rugged individualism in the savage wilderness. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
Oh boy here we go with the somalia
He is wrong.
I already explained why.
No one wants to live again in tribal Botswana or Feudal Europe.
@histoire So that's what you meant by that lol. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback @TheMadPirate
Somalia is all you ever get from collectivist societies.
Everyone is equal.
Equally poor.
Except the folks with guns.
The only real power comes out the end of a gun
- I. Stalin
@nerdman @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @cyber-hellscape @histoire @terryenglish @thebitchisback Funny how the people that constantly demands “equality” never considers themselves “equal” to the “unclean” but part of a group of “chosen”. Funny how that happens.
Morals, empathy, and scruples are ideals for the rich tbh. You'll do anything and everything you always said you'd never do if you're hungry and desperate enough. And if you remain in that state long enough, it will change you forever. If a whole country remains in that state long enough, it changes the character of the entire nation and every person in it. Please see my treatise "South America: Why Are They Such Savages?!?" for more information on this topic.
@Grandtheftautism Wow. Just wow. If there were any plutocrats who happened to read your post I think you just made them cream in their pants. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @TheMadPirate @thebitchisback
South America with the exception of Chile and maybe Brazil, is a bunch of shithole countries.
I know.
I live there.
I thought you could have that by living in s Mosuo tribe in Himalaya.
At least, that's what leftists say.
Why should I use the scarce resources I have to give away to someone I have no relation with?.
Actually, rugged Individualism is what built the current thriving technological Society. Collectivism has been the ideological empoverished societies like African and Brazilian tribes, the Tibetan Mosuo, the Soviet Russia, The Feudal society and so on and so forth.
The reason why Western societies thrived where other fails was rugged Individualism. The one deeply ingrained in Protestant worldview, the central core of the Enlightenment. After all, if I can profit from my work, if I can't claim exclusive property for the fruits of my labor.....my invest or do the hard work at all?. I would have no incentives if I were using my mind to produce something I will not benefit from.
And just taking an example from art.
In the 1980s movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy", the collectivist tribe ends up rejecting the introduction of a technological device as "evil" because they found it too disruptive for their collectivist social structure. Why?. Because the advantages given by the device increased their independence from tribal support, since different tribesmen gained different advantages from different uses of the same device.
In other words, Collectivism implies the sacrifice of technological advancement ( that always increases independence from group support) to maintain group conformity.
@TheMadPirate @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback Was it you that @mewmew refused to argue with because he felt you argued in bad faith?
I have the socialist cat aka @mewmew blocked in this account, I do have him unblocked in the KF.cc account.
If you call standing up my conservative libertarian principles instead of being a cuckold backstabbing Centrist (TM) arguing "in bad faith", then yeah, that's what I do
LEAVE @mewmew ALONE! Leave him (or her) aloooone!
@nerdman @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @cyber-hellscape @mewmew @terryenglish @thebitchisback Him. It’s a certifiable him. He told me so.
Ah. I assumed but never new. I might even have known and forgotten. My superpower is randomly forgetting shit.
@TheMadPirate It was funny to see him exasperated by your debate style. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @mewmew @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
@terryenglish @cyber-hellscape @mewmew @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback I use a mixed debate style. Similar to Nick Fuentes debate style.
@TheMadPirate You do have a mixed debate style. Baffle with bullshit, barrage with non-sequiturs, and change topics constantly . Very effective. @cyber-hellscape@blob.cat @mewmew @GBCDude@freespeechextremist.com @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback
Like MMA but with shitposting.
@terryenglish @cyber-hellscape @mewmew @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback A simple rule is this: Answer well constructed arguments with well constructed arguments. Answer fallacies with fallacies. Because there is no reason trying to counter fallacies with well constructed arguments, since the person engaging in a fallacy has no interest in sticking to the principles of Analytical Philosophy.
@terryenglish @cyber-hellscape @mewmew @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback Another simple rule is: Every time your opponent engages in a fallacy, take the opportunity to enrage and troll him/her, since an enraged opponent loses his/her mental focus, which is an advantage to you.
@terryenglish @cyber-hellscape @mewmew @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback Another simple rule: Never let your opponent use “snuck premises”. Counter those as quickly as you can.
@terryenglish @cyber-hellscape @mewmew @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @thebitchisback Another simple rule: Never let your opponent use “snuck premises”. Counter those as quickly as you can.
It's a big, complex, imperfect and IMPERFECTIBLE act.
You care about yourself.
You care about your family.
You care about your neighbors.
You care about your friends.
You care about your tribe.
You care about your countrymen.
You care about all humans.
You care about all sentient beings.
Each individual has all of those. Every individual calculates a balance of caring imperfectly and differently from each other. The problem is trying to impose algorithms of caring that some people can't implement. So you have to impose lenient limits on caring. And so, some people are going to end up starving. Others amassing untold amounts of wealth. It's inevitable. Best to preach about caring more but not imposing stuff on others.
@nerdman @terryenglish @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @cyber-hellscape @thebitchisback Best description of Natural Order I have ever read. Kudos, man!
I have a chemistry background. In there you learn 2 things:
1) everything is a balance
2) cooking is babby's firs chemistry
Computer games. I liked them so I tried learning to make them. Turns out I'm shit at creating games, or creative stuff in general, but I learned I'm not bad at making computers do what people want them.
@nerdman @GBCDude @Grandtheftautism @cyber-hellscape @terryenglish @thebitchisback Oh, I see. The issue with video games is that you have to learn both the art ( writing and design aspect) and the tech ( coding). And you also need an artist providing you with the necessary elements ( concept art, animation, 3d models, texture, lighting, vfx, UI, etc). So, it’s a hard task if you only focus on the tech.
The problem is creating something I find interesting. I just can't do it. Not with writing. Not with drawing. Not with music. I can grab a pencil, a picture and with enough time draw a very good copy of what I'm seeing.
I just can't produce original stuff. I would be inefficient to try as there's LOTS of people that do stuff I like already too, so I don't really try and nothing of value is lost because I can actually solve problems and given clear objectives accomplish those, so I add value to society in that way instead.
I propose a world segregated by communists and capitalists. Communists on capitalists countries ate deported to the commie part. Capitalists on communist countries are deported to the capitalist part.
No humanitarian aid or "trade" between the two. Treason is paid with death.
If commies starve to death, so be it.
If capitalists pollute, so be it.
Those are my proposals.
Live and let live.