@jeffcliff @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo IT TAKES GAS TO REPLACE THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE WITH AN ELECTRIC MOTOR
THE FACTORIES THAT MAKE IT RUN ON GAS
THE FACTORIES THAT MAKE BATTERIES RUN ON GAS
THE EARTH MOVING MACHINES THAT MINE LITHIUM RUN ON GAS
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MOVES THE COMPONENTS AROUND FOR MANUFACTURE RUNS ON GAS

THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DOESN'T RUN ON GAS -- DOESN'T EXIST
IN ORDER TO MAKE IT -- YOU NEED TO BURN GAS, NOW
THERE IS NO GAS TO BURN IT

YOU SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE THE "large, technical problems that need to be solved in the meanwhile"
AND YOU SEEM TO BE LABORING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEBODY OUT THERE IS WORKING TO SOLVE THEM

@nugger @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo @jeffcliff People far more capable that I have looked at the numbers and thr known reserves of copper and lithium are not sufficient to convert all mobility (vars, trucks, trains, plane and boats) to electric, even if you are using plug-in serial hybrid vehicles. The materials just don't exist.

We face an energy delima: a problem with zero solutions.

We are going to lose capability. The only question is how much and where ae the losses going to occur.

I think the most optimistic guy writing about it is John Michael Greer and his book titles flip flop from Dark Age America to The Eco-Technic Future

@Ottovonshitpost @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo @nugger @jeffcliff Honestly, I don't think there is anyone with the ability to blunt the fall we are going to have. Best I can see is taking individual action to try and blunt the impact so we retain as much of the knowledge we have now so we don't have to spend time and effort rediscovering things as basic as the steam engine, electricity, radio and electronic computing.

@Ottovonshitpost @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo @jeffcliff @nugger Besides retaining knowledge, securing reliable energy (coppice/energy crops, wind/solar/hydro, and/or geothermal), reducing energy requirements and securing materials is next. Recycling and reducing/eliminating single-use disposables is part of that. Burn materials for energy instead of landfilling.

Localizing production and manufacturing so that long-distance transport is optional and no longer a basic requirement. Revitalize cottage industries. Reverse off-shoring.

Use climate change or peak oil as a bludgeon to do so, even if you think it's fake, if that's what it takes to gets the job done.

@teknomunk @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @nugger @jeffcliff

So your solution is what every socialist nation has tried to do

@societyoutcasts @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @nugger @jeffcliff No. "What every socialist nation has tried to do" is a top-down decree on mostly unwilling people or people expecting a free lunch that can't possibly have the information needed to succeed.

There isn't the political will for that at any level.

Individuals and groups still mostly retain the ability to act in their local sphere and everthing I suggested can be done at that level, just at a smaller scale than you are probably thinking off.

I recommend the climate change/peak oil as a conversational club to use against those liberals in your area that would oppose such measures (i.e. you, someone who claims that climate change is a problem, oppose this thing that aboslutely would help?)

@teknomunk @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @nugger @jeffcliff

You would have to accept a lower standard of living, and slower technological advances as a trade off though. This idea if everything being localized has been tried, mostly by so called "socialist" countries

You better start getting used to the idea of lower standards of living either way. It's never getting better than what we have now again.

@Ottovonshitpost @societyoutcasts @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo @teknomunk @nugger @jeffcliff "I hate globalism! Everything should be produced locally!"
5 minutes later
"Chicken is $10 a pound! The West has fallen!"