Breaking the phone you plan to demo with is always fun.

Fixing it, even more so!
Just need a keyboard and run 1 command.

2 hours to go debconf23.debconf.org/talks/61

I'm a bit concerned about the frequent power losses at the hotel though :D

I'll add image descriptions later, need to work on my slides :P
and need to go for a swim!

#DebConf23 #Debian #MobileLinux #phosh #gnome

@devrtz
Interesting... Is it in an usable state now? I went for the Pinephone Pro (originally ordered a Librem 5 but asked for a refund after 2 years from the order), but it doesn't have much love unfortunately. I also have the Mobian normal version, but its hardware is too weak! :oh_no:
I surely watch your presentation once available!
@purism

@deedend @purism

The PPP is too weak for you?
What exactly do you plan to do with it?
For me, the primary issue is that the kernel is just not mature enough. To change that I would assume that it would take some serious dev work and mainlining to really become interesting to *me*. Of course YMMV , but if you don't care about any of that (and I'm not saying you do) I don't see why you wouldn't "simply" run sth on top of Android using libhybris, e.g. #droidian

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@devrtz
No, the normal Pinephone is too weak... The PPP would be more than enough if only it was a bit more reliable and less power hungry. For me, the whole point of using a Linux phone is to avoid libhybris altogether. I don't really like all those converted Android phones out there, not now that we could potentially have a couple of alternatives like the Librem 5 (which is definitely too expensive) and the PPP.
@purism

@deedend @purism

I don't see PPP becoming a viable option any time soon.

OP6 is super interesting (no cameras yet, though).

> too expensive

it might suprise you to learn that
a) developers like to eat
b) lower order quantities means higher prices (if manufactures bother speaking to you at all)

@devrtz
Yeah, I'm of the same idea: it'll take time, if it ever happens, for the PPP to become a viable solution, unfortunately. But considering that the Librem 5 took 6 years from the announcement to the stage that it is now, I guess is an issue of this kind of alternative phone.

In regards to the developers that like to eat, and the quantities that drive the price, it doesn't exclude the fact that 1000USD for the Librem 5 is disproportionated
@purism

@deedend

>In regards to the developers that like to eat, and the quantities that drive the price, it doesn't exclude the fact that 1000USD for the Librem 5 is disproportionated

So what you're saying is I shouldn't eat? Or should eat less?
(The last one is probably **actually** true)

Knowing full well that @purism
pretty much kickstarted this whole thing, lots of other distros/phones benefiting and arguably succeeded where e.g. Canonical has not?

#MobileLinux

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@deedend @purism

@deedend @purism

E.g. the panel driver used on the PP (and perhaps PPP too - dunno) was written by @agx for the L5 devkit.

youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8

'nuff said

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#MobileLinux

@devrtz
Also, I don't take away anything from the fact that Purism did a lot of good for the Linux mobile community, and I thank them for that. I'm a fan of them, but I simply don't want/can't afford to spend all that money on a phone that is full of limitations and at the moment just a hobby for me. I wish one day we will have an affordable, fully functional Linux phone, ready for being use as such, just for what I see is not the time yet

@purism @agx

@deedend @devrtz @purism I encourage everyone to try PureOS on the Librem 5 to judge daily usability of the Librem 5 and if it's "the time yet".

One shouldn't draw that conclusion by looking at other devices (running other distros).

A single missing one line line patch or broken driver can considerably mess up daily usability.

@agx @deedend @devrtz @purism even if the phone's software works well, mobile Linux is not the same platform as desktop Linux, for apps.

For example, I use Signal to communicate with people, and Matrix to communicate with communities.

Both Signal and Element are Electron apps, which aren't optimised for phones.

There's Flare and Fractal of course, but neither are ready to replace Signal and Element at this point.

Therefore, mobile Linux just isn't an option for me at the moment.

@julianfairfax @agx @deedend @purism

Sure, I understand how everyone has different needs and how they may not **yet** be met.

I'm wondering what is missing for you to be able to daily drive fractal? Iit has been a long time since I last tried it: I'm stubbornly using chatty even though it can be a bit painful - I'm a masochist like that :P

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#MobileLinux #gnome

@julianfairfax @agx @deedend @purism

@julianfairfax @agx @deedend @purism

Same question for Flare, which I also don't use because I don't do #signal .
And are there perhaps issues filed that would give me a perspective on what's missing?

Maybe these are things where @schmiddionmobile could use some help?

In my talks I always recommend people relying on #signal to try/use Flare, so I'm also afraid of giving out misguided advice :P

(not too much though)

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#MobileLinux #gnome

@devrtz @agx @deedend @purism @schmiddionmobile currently there's an issue where you can't sync your contacts. gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/

This will of course be fixed, but it shows how unstable a third-party Signal client is.

There's an issue for some users, including me, that can be summarised as unreliable sending of messages, a big problem for a messaging app. gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/

The upstream library developers have tried to fix it, but so far haven't succeeded. github.com/whisperfish/presage

@devrtz @agx @deedend @purism @schmiddionmobile the biggest thing you (or anyone else) can do for Flare, is to get more developers to take a look it.

I'm sure the issues with Flare and with presage (these two being the biggest) can be fixed, but both have few developers with limited time.

Follow

@julianfairfax @devrtz @agx @deedend

PSA:
Flare is a third party client designed to run on

If you want to use on , are passionate about and know :

@schmiddionmobile would surely appreciate code contributions to fix some of the issues mentioned fosstodon.org/@julianfairfax/1

Have a look at
gitlab.com/schmiddi-on-mobile/

Thanks to everyone working on the ecosystem (and by extension: a better world 🌈 )

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