m0xEE @m0xee@librem.one

@autolycus
That is the problem with Asahi — not their reverse-engineering efforts, but creating this illusion, this promise that they have no obligation to deliver on, and incentivising people to buy Apple hardware instead of supporting nice people who make open hardware possible.
If anything, this means more e-waste, not less of it.
@phoronix

@autolycus
So what happens next? The person buys this Mac, can't use it with Linux properly — but hey, shouldn't be a problem, there is macOS, right? So they switch back to that. But by Apple's standards this hardware is already pretty old — and in a few years they end up with hardware with an unsupported OS on their hands that also has half-assed Linux support — they can't use either so they buy new hardware, some would even buy new Apple hardware.
@phoronix

@autolycus
And if you think I'm making up a pure hypothetical case here, I'm not: I've seen a person here on Fedi asking why they should buy a more expensive MNT Reform and not an older, but still supported M1 Mac — this person was genuinely thinking that Asahi Linux would enable them to use this hardware well with Linux, a lot of people don't realise that they won't have support for external displays or microphone input — and a lot of people do want that.
@phoronix

@autolycus
If you wan't Linux-compatible hardware that won't turn into landfill — support open hardware. In the late nineties and early 2000s we had to rely on reverse-engineered drivers because we didn't have a choice — not anymore, we have plethora of hardware designed to run Linux — buy that instead of giving your money to the company that makes hardware increasingly less open.
@phoronix

@autolycus
In case with these Macs there would be no Intel engineer and no driver from original hardware maker!
It would always remain a best effort implementation from someone who might abandon the project sooner or later: people burn out, people can simply change hobbies — this isn't something new, this is happening all the time. They have no obligations to support your hardware.
People should stop fooling themselves into thinking that this works.
@phoronix

@autolycus
The MacBook Pro I'm typing this on has Broadcom wireless adapter that has an opensource reverse-engineered driver and a proprietary one from Broadcom and the former is not useable — it can associate with a wireless network, but it's not something I would use on a daily basis. It's a 2011 MacBook and reverse-engineered driver *NEVER* caught up, I'm speaking from experience here.
Should I explain why it would be worse in case with ARM-based Macs?
@phoronix

@autolycus
Most of my hardware is also Apple hardware, you don't have to tell me what it is. Even 10 years ago this hardware was supported better than average PC hardware because it was the same commodity hardware based on Intel chipsets. And we have e.g. hardware video decoding support not because someone reverse-engineered it on their spare time, but because a qualified engineer on Intel's payroll *with access to the spec* have contributed it.
@phoronix

@bria
…one of the points from my post dated *last September* : the novelty and excitement from the initial success fades and at the same time the visible progress stalls — it doesn't take hating them to see it, it's just what is likely to happen to such an ambitious reverse-engineering effort without proper support from the hardware maker.
The worst thing you can accuse me of is this "told you so" — but I assure you there are plenty of things worse than that.
@phoronix

@bria
Those who fall for this implied promise are (in broader sense) the target audience of my post, not Asahi! I'd rather see people helping RISC-V succeed or support open ARM-based computers such as MNT Reform — because I think we would all benefit more from that than from supporting highly-customised, closed and poorly serviceable hardware that are ARM-based Macs.
Again, I might be wrong and I'd be willing to admit it, but the linked news article confirms…
@phoronix

@bria
This news feed is unrelated to them and I'm not attempting to discourage them — neither am I in position to prevent them from their reverse-engineering effort — that is isn't the problem IMO. Their promise that those who buy ARM-based Macs today will get a well-supported machine in the future is! Based on my experience with Apple, reverse engineered technology and support for Linux on non-open hardware, I think this promise is unlikely to get delivered on.
@phoronix

@ErictheCerise
So not only writing them down, but keeping them in the same place where you store your other passwords? That is an excellent idea! 😂
If your password manager ever gets compromised (which doesn't happen often, but there is still a non-zero possibility), at least the perpetrator might not know your pet's name — but with this you're leaving them no such option.

@ben

@bria
And? I'm not chasing the members of Asahi project around the Internet telling them what to do, I'm expressing my
own opinion on my own gemlog.
There is nothing wrong with 2000 — or any number of words for that matter when I'm elaborating on the opinion I have expressed on Fedi to the one who was never involved with Asahi project.
You are confusing the right to have an opinion with imposing said opinion on others 🤷

@phoronix

@ErictheCerise @ben
But then you have to write them down which is also a bad security practice 😏

@phoronix
Nothing of value was lost, my stance on Asahi Linux remains the same: https://m0xEE.Net/gemlog/posts/2024-09-05-asahi-linux-is-pointless.gmi
It's a waste of effort that'd better be used elsewhere, nowadays we have plenty of hardware that's way more open than that of Apple, and hardware based on reverse-engineering effort would always remain far from perfect.

@kevinrothrock
Earthworm Rob,
The soil he did crawl
Earthworm Rob,
A Super Suit did fall

@newt @Economic_Hitman
Aiming at one of those girls who choose the bear? 😜

@rl_dane @Natanox @amin
It also effects battery life quite noticeably — I get amazing battery life even with computers that are more than a decade old, maybe avoiding systemd only contributes a part of it, Void allows me to have a more minimal system overall: I can do "ps ax" and tell you what each of these processes does at nearly any time, unlike with systemd-based distros where something always keeps happening in the background.

@mirabilos @wyatt
> people please drop it, I don’t have an HDMI-capable monitor anyway)
My line of thinking 😏