m0xEE @m0xee@librem.one

@Hyolobrika @gabriel
Gabriel might've not liked the words I've used, but I agree with him — we're not "agreeing to disagree", when he presented his position in expanded form, it only confirmed that I did get him right.
If we dig deeper, I'm sure we'll find points we disagree upon, but on current level I just agree with him.

@Hyolobrika @gabriel
As for chickens, breeding them like that is horrible, but this is being done as they serve as source of food for humans. I am not vegan or vegetarian myself, so I think that we should move away from it, but not not at all costs — not at the expense of human lives, but by looking for other sources of proper nutrition.

@Hyolobrika @gabriel
I think that state control over reproductive function, stimulating childbirth not by improving quality of life and providing broader access to education, but by forcing childbirth isn't pro-human, it places humans on the same level as those poor chickens as it is human breeding on industrial scale.
Mind you, I'm not attributing any of that to Gabe, that is why I use "a lot of conservatives" — such an opinion exists and it is widespread.

@Hyolobrika @gabriel
That is what a lot of US conservatives do not seem to realise: by banning abortions they aren't eliminating them, but pushing women towards doing it illegally. Russian authorities aren't conservative in this regard, they are just parroting US conservatives to win their support.

@Hyolobrika @gabriel
In Russia there is nothing to conserve, the number of abortions in USSR was simply mind-boggling: about a dozen per woman IIRC. Throughout their lifetime, but that is still a lot. It's average, in big cities it was much lower, in rural areas they had no access to contraception and it was high, most were illegal and performed not by qualified medical personnel, which posed serious health risks to women — taking abortions out of this gray area at least eliminated that.

@jae
Good to know! Are these paths standardised? I don't really know what conventions these URLs follow: for some resolvers they look like simple host names, others are relatively complex. And I am running a proxy actually — on my router, to avoid using ISP's resolver entirely, with ":443" it definitely looks shorter, would this speed the requests up?
@bortzmeyer

@bortzmeyer
They do! I use their DNS over HTTPS service, it's: https://ordns.he.net/dns-query
They have traditional public resolvers as well, but I don't have their IP-addresses at hand.

@gabriel
Except I did not assign you any position:
> this is what you mean, at least that's the way I see it
> at least that's the way I see it
It was right there all the time. But have it your way if you wish 🤷
@Hyolobrika

@gabriel
I don't think that I misunderstood you at all. And I think that different groups of people could even come to agreement here, or at least find an acceptable middle ground — but society is so radicalised that they only go for extreme opinions opinions, I think you agree with me on this one.
@Hyolobrika

@bortzmeyer
I wonder how big is Hurricane Electric? 🤔

@iska @Cocoa
Because it's decentralised and not-for-profit 😏

@gabriel
But what a lot of conservatives want, at least it seems so from the sidelines, is humans to be also bred on industrial scale with disregard for everything else. Want to give you future kid proper education, don't want you living conditions to degrade drastically with childbirth? Don't care! Make babies — we need cheaper workforce, we need more taxpayers! That is why it's met with opposition, not because "Killing babies is cool, let's do it!!!"
@Hyolobrika

@gabriel
Because the wording in your original response could've been better: humans aren't bred on industrial scale that is why they should be treated differently — this is what you mean, at least that's the way I see it.
There are ways to go from here: one might say that animals should not be bred on industrial scale either — and you might agree noting that this should not be done at the cost of sacrificing human lives, that's reasonable IMO.
@Hyolobrika

@ozzelot
I read an article on TheReg about it being superseded with "AI" soon, that should definitely fix it 😏
Woo-hoo!!! Right? 😫

@iska
I just had a sort of pilaf with pork and bulgur. And that made me super happy because it took hours to make it and bean soup, and I had no breakfast 😅

@condret
This is why I'm no longer using Gentoo — not because it's particularly hard, flexibility is of course cool, but the amount of time and effort you have to put into it is disproportionate as with Gentoo you are taking maintainer's job. I'm not using Debian for other reasons, but distros like that are okay, not having latest versions of software at the cost of lower maintenance is okay.

@Forestofenchantment @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico

@condret
No, it's not what this means. First and foremost, I'm my computer's user, not its serviceman. There is a reasonable amount of effort I'm willing to put into keeping it in shape. If "features" that come with updates bring more trouble than possible security vulnerabilities — fuck updates! Cost-benefit works in exact same way everywhere.

@Forestofenchantment @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico

@xtaran
"People die if they are killed" — a classic 😆