m0xEE @m0xee@librem.one

@kitkat
…I was safe because I had support for WebP disabled😁
AND they have made it non-optional right after this was discovered. One of the major reasons why I started building Firefox myself was to bring the preference to disable WebP back.
That's the problem — no one has problem with updates when they are security updates, but they often come with feature updates: support for new things that no one asked for or changes in the UI — at times rather serious ones, which might ruin your workflows.

@kitkat
Not always possible — there are old machines, there are uncommon architectures. Developers of forks have even less resources than Mozilla does and can't afford supporting those.
Besides, it turned out that not updating is actually quite fine — all the recent major vulnerabilities did not affect old versions, be it xz/liblzma — everyone rolled back to old version as first response; recent openssh one that didn't affect 8.4p1.
Even the critical libwepb vulnerability, which affected FF…

@gemlog
My set of UI hacks breaking aside — even in perfect conditions, I don't even want to be updating my web browser that often!
They are not only introducing the tiny unwanted UI changes, they are messing with underlying Web APIs all the time in these minor updates — this is pure madness!
Don't like the updated UI? Well, your loss! You have to use it — can't not update because other stuff will stop working.

@gemlog
Yeah, same here, I also have high hopes for Servo! And I do my best not to rely on web things.

This case is illustrative of how broken modern web development is! I even imagine being able to swallow the "this browser is year old" take, problem is — apparently, it's also broken on my machines running Firefox 124 — which was released… this March!!! 🤪

@scops
Yep, I have Nheko on my only Windows machine, Schildi on my Android phone — also doesn't have the problem as underlying JS frameworks haven't been updated yet.
And I use gomuks my other machines, most of them anyway — really like the TUI experience.

But Element was still indispensible for more advanced stuff that you didn't have to do often, but at times still did — like managing sessions of exporting room keys.
It would be sad if this doesn't get resolved 😩

@drahardja
So easy!
Yet, this seems unthinkable to absolute most companies, they will offer you everything in the arsenal: from OTPs to having to set a new password after having logged in from a different IP address once — and no, of course your can't use your old one the one that is complex and yet you remember it well.
But not forcing you to enter your real name and other such things seems completely out of the question.

OMG, it's not just me and it's… disgusting:
https://github.com/element-hq/element-web/issues/27684
Apparently, their policy is to only support two latest releases of Firefox and Chrome, so the fact that it had worked for me is just a coincidence!
The "that browsed is a year old already" line is simply priceless!
The most fun part is that this update coincided with the new FF ESR, so their solution is: just install the new ad-ridden FF — or Chrome even, what is your problem?😤
Oh my, this is such a trainwreck!
#element #matrix

Does app.element.io still work in Firefox?
At first I thought they were blocking the IP-address range of VPN nodes that I'm using, but now that I've tried switching to a different one, I think something else is at play here.
It doesn't give me any meaningful error — it just looks like a blank page, the only error I see in the console is:
Uncaught TypeError: Intl.Segmenter is not a constructor
node_modules bundle.js:2
Webpack 21

Could this be it? 🤔

@Hyolobrika
People who ignore the messaging platforms themselves have left the chat… Or rather never entered it 🤣

@kaia
Presence of cofe is also notable — I'm not a fan, but many are.

@Hyolobrika
There are those who exploit this quite consciously and there are e.g. people with BPD — they aren't even attempting to manipulate you and yet if you've ever communicated with them in this phase — they give off the impression that everyone they have interacted with before you were absolute monsters — and it's just their mind playing tricks on them, they might not even believe that everyone is mistreating them at later moment.

@Hyolobrika
People in more prosperous countries have never seen any of this with their own eyes — so they don't understand the true implications, which might be very destructive for society.

But these are extremes — I think there is more to this "supporting the underdog", which might be bad — people think they are just levelling the playing field, but coupled with their obsession with oppressor-victim dichotomy, they become vulnerable to those who are good at presenting themselves as victim.

@Hyolobrika
They couldn't get that something that would incentivise them to return back to their normal life — so something relatively minor that made you start drinking could ruin your life forever.

At the same time those who were exhibiting personal initiative were hated upon in their work collectives — because you doing something better than the others didn't mean that you would get rewarded, in most cases it meant that next time everyone HAD to perform better.

@Hyolobrika
Of course no one should be struggling with basic necessities!
But outright antisocial behaviour shouldn't be sustainable either, some people have to hit rock bottom to muster the motivation to get their shit together. This was quite common in USSR — people were becoming alcoholics, and you were of course frowned upon — but you don't really care about such things, you ARE anti-social. But society still somehow kept you afloat — people were doing their work, at times completely drunk.

@neural_meduza
Ну в пещерах, положим, уже не жили, но вот в деревянных бараках — очень даже. К моему ужасу, некоторые до сих пор живут, при чём — даже в Подмосковье 😩

@newt
All this stuff feels quirky, right?
But have you ever tried using WAsm component as audio plug-in? 🤪
https://github.com/wasm-audio/wasm-audio-examples

@ruisan
It's bad for my skin… and my mental health 😅
On a serious note, I've already answered here: https://social.librem.one/@m0xee/112775932785553569
And here is an even more elaborate answer in case you're interested (cc @bohwaz ): https://breloma.m0xee.net/objects/988ae23c-f5d4-4408-9aae-bb769e16099b

In short — I think that WebP (and few other technologies) serve no other purpose than maintaining Google's grip on modern Web.

@cuchaz

@p @Jdogg247 @miscbrains
These mailer programs got pretty advanced actually, there was T-Mail, later there was The Brake, and there was another one that I can't recall the name of — it even had support for translations, which wasn't common for software of that time at all. And it had "hacker" language pack with humorous messages like "Boring… no one's calling us" — reading the logs was quite entertaining 🤣

@p @Jdogg247 @miscbrains
Yeah, I think at some point someone realised that and implemented it in the software that was interacting with modem, doing calls and file transfers: this node we're calling has several addresses in different networks so we can exchange mail for those too — in one go. This helped reduce the redundant calls.

@p @Jdogg247 @miscbrains
Funnily, they were claiming that using modems led to greater wear and tear for telephone lines and equipment at their hubs — all the usual bullshit 😂
I wasn't even realising at the time how great it all was! Internet allowed for greater anonymity — which I was more comfortable with, I was always paranoid, but it still wasn't as synthetic as we have it nowadays 😩