@prettygood @mischievoustomato @adiz sorry, but anything based on GTK is just horrible. Literally the worst toolkit possible, starting with GTK3.

@newt
This might even sound reasonable were we not comparing it to Qt — Qt for fuck's sake! The single most disgusting thing in two universes.
Which in 2002 was more bloated than the web BTW — QML is the grandfather of modern web debauchery. The only good thing about it is that it contains a wide range of ready to use components — that's what they did with GTK4, so now development dependencies drag even GStreamer in, but somehow you don't like it.
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz Qt is very nice. Probably the best tool for UI development we currently have.

You too are wrong, therefore.

@newt
> Probably the best tool for UI development we currently have
When a developer tells me: "I use Qt because it's the easiest way to make my software cross-platform",— I think… Okay, you've given up on the way your software looks and feels and took the easy way out. Other options require lots of effort, it's not for everyone. It's somewhat acceptable, but when I see something like this from the user's perspective:

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
> Qt is very nice
No! Just no! It's a steaming disgusting pile of crap!

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz how do you guys do this? I haven't seen a single objectively correct opinion in this thread other than my own.

@newt
One of the signs you might be a conspiracy-theorist 😏

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz I am, because conspiracies are real. But nevertheless, Qt is quite fine.

Also, mind you, I never ever mentioned cross-platform stuff here. I use Qt only for Linux (maybe BSD) and don't really care about non-X11 systems.

@newt
> I use Qt only for Linux (maybe BSD) and don't really care about non-X11 systems.
Well, we also have a room full of people right here who use GTK in Linux and are perfectly fine with it, so…
What should the punchline be? "Works for me 🤷"?
@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz there are even more people who use Windows. They too are wrong.

@newt @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz
People using Windows?! Oh, come on! Stop making shit up! 😏

@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz man, you clearly hate yourself enough to suffer through this. My condolences.

@newt
Oh, man, don't! I know you can relate — you're relying on Qt daily!
I hope you can get off this shit before it kills you 😏

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@m0xee @adiz @newt @prettygood qt software is often ugly

@mischievoustomato
I have to admit that it got much less so with years, and by the low standards we have today its requirements might seem modest.
But as 2002 was mentioned in the opening post, I think it's worth noting that at the time Qt was extremely bloated, slow and… just abominable! Athena widget set didn't seem that ugly in comparison.

@adiz @newt @prettygood

@m0xee @mischievoustomato @adiz @prettygood
>in 2002

Last I checked, it is the year of Our Lord and Saviour 2025. 2002 was 23 years ago. People born in 2002 are having kids now.

@newt
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but was it me or was it someone nicknamed Newt, who mentioned a comment from… 2001 even (!) in the opening post? 🤔

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz gnome hasn't changed in this aspect. Qt has.

@newt
Gnome wasn't "slow and bugged" — especially compared to Qt-based KDE of the time. This was my point!
I don't even know what full GNOME experience is nowadays, but what I have learned from that time is to never touch anything Qt — even with a five-hundred-metre pole!

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@newt
I see new Qt software every now and then — it's hard to not notice that things have improved, computers got more performant so having GUI toolkit in C++ became acceptable, but it's still not something worth installing 200 packages named "qt-kitchen-sink" and KDE… It's something I knew I would never use, it feels wrong to me in every possible way.

@mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz

@m0xee @mischievoustomato @prettygood @adiz linux people being scared of installing packages will never be not funny. The system that prides itself on supposedly robust package managers has conditioned its users to be afraid of installing software. How do you even take any of this seriously?

@newt @m0xee because the people who package the software are usually fucking retarded and often mark optional dependencies as mandatory

@dwaltiz @m0xee don't use garbage distros. Problem solved.

@newt
Tell me more about those… non-garbage distros 🤔
@dwaltiz

@m0xee inb4 nixos @newt