Why do anarchists hate libertarians so much? Aren't they supposed to be the same thing?

@newt "anarchism" is when communists try to have their cake (freedom) and eat it too (no capitalism, racism, sexism, etc. allowed) ... it's impossible because it requires a centralized authority to ban all the stuff you don't like.

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@genmaicha @newt
How is that different from libertarian ideas such as minarchism? They rely on the same concept of state's monopoly on violence 🤷
Those two are exactly the same idea, but painted with different colours to split people adopting the idea apart and turn them against each other.

@m0xee @genmaicha minarchism stems from classical liberalism. In the modern discourse, they are often the same thing.

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"Classical liberalism" IS essentially libertarianism — the way Hayek conceived it. Some libertarians who decided that sucking up to US conservatives (and sometimes even to those who are much worse) is a good strategy just hijacked the term.

@m0xee @genmaicha must confess, I'm not really familiar with the libertarian lore and I haven't read Hayek. My exposure to liberalism is mostly through the works of J.S.Mills ("On Liberty", for one) and a few other 19th century writers.

With that said, I would also like to point out that the American-esque political terminology around "conservatism" and "liberalism" has effectively become meaningless, just as the words "fascism" or "nazism" today don't really mean a thing. When we talk about conservative politics, we must first and foremost ask "conservative OF WHAT?" Same goes with liberalism - what liberties do these people stand for exactly? If you put it this way, none of the American republican party is conservative in any way.
I prefer to think of American conservatives as pro-three-letter-agency-and-DoD party, since almost the entire Bush administration was full of spooks and the PATRIOT act is their brainchild. The American liberals on the other hand are just plain old commies. At this point, I fully expect American Fascist party to arise and demand the total abolition of the state, as this would be very fitting.

@newt
> conservative OF WHAT
Of the imaginary 50s America that never existed of course! 😂
I won't say that's US specific though, I think it's a product of lack of vision of the future or said future not looking too bright. Here in Russia we have lefties like that — admiring USSR that never existed, the one they've seen in Soviet comedies.
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