@hehemrin I think the requirement of privacy is incompatible with iOS. Apple will track you anyway.
Also, FOSS becomes less meaningful because with iOS you cannot really know what you install, you cannot build and install from source and you cannot know if Apple have modified the app you install. The program you actually install may not correspond to the public source code, you will never know.
You need to move from iOS to a free (as in freedom) operating system! Then install a FOSS pod app 🙂
@eliasr Mmm Hmm First of all, I am not a programmer (know and do a little). At least it will not be both Apple and Appissuer. FOSS does not equal privacy, but cannot track in secret. So about iOS/Apple, I only know what I read. But that, and business models, lead me to trust Apple far more than the alternative Google. Even if Android is FOSS, I cannot avoid Google if I want other apps. If I should have a smart phone, apps as SJ railway, BankID ;-) and Swish are mandatory. What do you suggest?
> trust Apple far more than the alternative Google
I have no advice on that point, both are bad 🙂
Regarding Apple: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/11/apple-limits-iphone-filesharing-feature-used-by-protesters-in-china
Apple has power to do whatever they want. They did that to users in China, they can do bad things to you as well.
See also https://stallman.org/apple.html
If the apps you mention are truly mandatory, then there is no good option for you.
The whole situation we have is bad, if you want more freedom you will have to sacrifice some convenience.
@eliasr Adding this new post from Proton: https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company
@hehemrin That's interesting as an example of what they can do.
I think the most important thing, however, is not what they currently do but the fact that they *can* do things like that, and they can also do much worse.
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@hehemrin The Proton text mentions something about 2017 when Apple was less aggressive with advertising. But as I see it, the fundamental problem was the same then as it is now: the fact that Apple has power over people through the closed-source software that Apple controls.
Even if there is a company that you think seems trustworthy, it is still a bad idea to let that company "own" you through closed software. You never know what they will do with that power later on.
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@hehemrin Also, even if the company really was trustworthy at some point, it can always happen that there is a change in ownership of that company. There is also the possibility that some government agency will force the company to do things against you, like China forced Apple in that example that The Guardian wrote about. That can happen in other countries as well, and users of closed-source software (with silent auto-updates) will not be able to know what is done against them.
@eliasr Thanks Elias for your thread. I get your point, that a walled garden is a bad start that opens for a bad future. One big reason I prefer (have) is that it has its revenue from products and not the data. But Proton article shows that may have changed. I fully dislike that they obey to CCP in China, and any bad labour condition/human rights etc. An advantage of selling hw+sw together, from technical point of view, is that it can make the product much better - again I reckon the freedom 1/2
@eliasr issue. Pity Stallman doesn't point on any good proposal. Now a sort of ad: Purism with their phone, they envision to use the phone also plugin on desktop with monitor etc, always having the same OS (they have their own dev Linux). So they see you run same OS, same apps, adjusted to the screen, always. Apple again, on macOS I can install external sw but not on phone/pad! I really want my BankID or subsitute to work on Linux, BSD or as a stand-alone device, so I can be more free.
