Elias @eliasr@librem.one

@clacke

> I wanted to dig up a definitive
> reference for when Gnome
> left GNU

Interesting! I hope you succeed.

While you're at it, maybe you could see if there is a reference for when it became acceptable for the GNOME Foundation to actively engage in dishonest personal attacks such as the "open letter"?

Now I'm not talking about individual people signing that, but the fact that GNOME Foundation as an organization signed it. I find that very strange.

@bastian @fribbledom

OK then, thanks for explaining.

@fribbledom So someone decided to no longer give credit to #GNU, and they do that change without explaining in the commit message what the change actually is. The commit message should say "remove GNU" since that is what the commit is doing.

Apparently they don't want the commit message to show what they are actually doing.

Is that supposed to be funny?

This is an excellent statement from the FSF India about the current #RMS controversy:
https://fsf.org.in/news/board-statement-2021/

"Unfortunately many of the arguments made against him were based on misunderstanding and half truths. More dangerous is concerted attack on RMS vilifying him and trying to isolate him. FSF India condemns this action. There is no freedom more important than freedom of thought and expression."

To understand the background, see for example this: https://edsantos.eu/on-stalman/

#freedom #fsf

@IceWolf

> those mobs /do/ exist!
> This totally isn't one of them, though

Excuse me but if you think that, then I really think you should read and think some more about it. I recommend reading this: https://edsantos.eu/on-stalman/

@haskal @mithrandir @tindall@cybre.space

Listening to: John Lennon, Working Class Hero

[...]

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years

Then they expect you to pick a career

When you can't really function you're so full of fear

[...]

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV

And you think you're so clever and classless and free

But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see

[...]

@jonarvid Nej, inte jag i alla fall, men kul att det går såklart.

Jag kollade nu, i "Account Settings" hittar jag under "Display Settings" en dropdown-lista med olika språk, fast svenska verkar inte finnas med. Kanske krävs en nyare version för att svenska ska dyka upp där?

@bugaevc@mastodon.technology

For me, being a fan of free software and so on, this seemed like a bad thing with rust. I want to know what the source code is, including source code for compilers. I want to say "here is the rustc source code, now build rustc from source" without any extra downloads being necessary.

Do you understand what I mean?

Is this a real problem or is it just me not understanding? If so, could you explain?

@bugaevc@mastodon.technology

Building everything from source like that worked for everything except rustc, including the compiler gcc used to build most other stuff.

For gcc it was possible to download the source code of gcc and then build gcc from that source code.

That was not possible for rustc because when building rustc it insisted on downloading a bunch of stuff as part of the build process.

(to be continued)

@bugaevc@mastodon.technology

Rust does seem great in many ways but when I was playing around with Linux From Scratch (LFS) it was a pain for me that one package I needed to build was written in Rust. Then I had to build rustc and it turned out that rustc could not be built from source without an internet connection. I had things setup so that I first downloaded all source code I needed, then as a second step I built everything from that source code.

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@jonarvid Snygg tröja!

Vi använder Mattermost som intern-chatt på mitt jobb, det funkar riktigt bra. 🙂

@jrballesteros05 By the way, thank you for standing up for Stallman, it is much needed these days.

@jrballesteros05

You are right that Purism is different to some extent, I think that comes down to the "social purpose company" thing, it is really a formal difference, it means Purism, unlike normal companies, have some other goals in addition to making money.

The "social purpose company" idea is very interesting, I hope more good things can come from it in the future.

@jrballesteros05

The point I wanted to make was that in my opinion, people should not be surprised that companies behave like that, because it is their nature very fundamentally, companies exist to make money for their owners. So we should not create systems like the school system is in Sweden now, we should not trust companies to behave ethically. At best, companies will follow the law, but they will always stretch the law as much as they can to make more money.

(to be continued)

@jrballesteros05 I think it is true that companies don't have ethics.

It has been seen quite clearly here in Sweden where our education system has been changed so that companies can run schools. Still funded by tax money, but companies start schools and get money for that. Then many people have been surprised that the companies just do everything they can to make money. They don't fundamentally care about education, they fundamentally care about money.

(to be continued)

@Capheind

> (stallman.org) is not a valid
> source for the views of RMS"
> Is such an obviously crap take.

What do you mean? Who has such a take?

I recommend reading this: https://edsantos.eu/on-stalman/

@jrballesteros05 So then what to do?

I think for example, delete our facebook accounts, stop buying Apple/Google gadgets, and support things like the FSF, things like that are meaningful actions that can help shaping our society in a better way.

Of course we can still be angry at companies, but that anger is not in itself helping much, is my point. 🙂

@jrballesteros05 I think I understand you here, but my view is a little different.

Nowadays I have come to think of it more like this: we cannot expect companies to "do the right thing". Their purpose is to make money, that is what they will do. It is not so meaningful for us to be angry with them. Like a tiger in the jungle, it wants to hunt me and eat me, but there is no point for me to be angry at the tiger for that. It's a tiger, it does what tigers always do.

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@ehashman I'm trying to understand your thinking here.

The appendix of the open letter directly links to something false. This is a fact, it is not a matter of opinion.

Look at the reference "2" in the appendix. It is the Vice article with title "Famed Computer Scientist Richard Stallman Described Epstein Victims As 'Entirely Willing'". That is false.

Do you understand that the statement in the title of that Vice article is false?