@jeffcliff @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo IT TAKES GAS TO REPLACE THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE WITH AN ELECTRIC MOTOR
THE FACTORIES THAT MAKE IT RUN ON GAS
THE FACTORIES THAT MAKE BATTERIES RUN ON GAS
THE EARTH MOVING MACHINES THAT MINE LITHIUM RUN ON GAS
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MOVES THE COMPONENTS AROUND FOR MANUFACTURE RUNS ON GAS
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DOESN'T RUN ON GAS -- DOESN'T EXIST
IN ORDER TO MAKE IT -- YOU NEED TO BURN GAS, NOW
THERE IS NO GAS TO BURN IT
YOU SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE THE "large, technical problems that need to be solved in the meanwhile"
AND YOU SEEM TO BE LABORING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEBODY OUT THERE IS WORKING TO SOLVE THEM
THE FACTORIES THAT MAKE IT RUN ON GAS
THE FACTORIES THAT MAKE BATTERIES RUN ON GAS
THE EARTH MOVING MACHINES THAT MINE LITHIUM RUN ON GAS
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MOVES THE COMPONENTS AROUND FOR MANUFACTURE RUNS ON GAS
THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DOESN'T RUN ON GAS -- DOESN'T EXIST
IN ORDER TO MAKE IT -- YOU NEED TO BURN GAS, NOW
THERE IS NO GAS TO BURN IT
YOU SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATE THE "large, technical problems that need to be solved in the meanwhile"
AND YOU SEEM TO BE LABORING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEBODY OUT THERE IS WORKING TO SOLVE THEM
@nugger @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo @jeffcliff People far more capable that I have looked at the numbers and thr known reserves of copper and lithium are not sufficient to convert all mobility (vars, trucks, trains, plane and boats) to electric, even if you are using plug-in serial hybrid vehicles. The materials just don't exist.
We face an energy delima: a problem with zero solutions.
We are going to lose capability. The only question is how much and where ae the losses going to occur.
We face an energy delima: a problem with zero solutions.
We are going to lose capability. The only question is how much and where ae the losses going to occur.
I think the most optimistic guy writing about it is John Michael Greer and his book titles flip flop from Dark Age America to The Eco-Technic Future
@Ottovonshitpost @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo @nugger @jeffcliff Honestly, I don't think there is anyone with the ability to blunt the fall we are going to have. Best I can see is taking individual action to try and blunt the impact so we retain as much of the knowledge we have now so we don't have to spend time and effort rediscovering things as basic as the steam engine, electricity, radio and electronic computing.
@Ottovonshitpost @ImperialAgent @confederatehobo @jeffcliff @nugger Besides retaining knowledge, securing reliable energy (coppice/energy crops, wind/solar/hydro, and/or geothermal), reducing energy requirements and securing materials is next. Recycling and reducing/eliminating single-use disposables is part of that. Burn materials for energy instead of landfilling.
Localizing production and manufacturing so that long-distance transport is optional and no longer a basic requirement. Revitalize cottage industries. Reverse off-shoring.
Use climate change or peak oil as a bludgeon to do so, even if you think it's fake, if that's what it takes to gets the job done.
Localizing production and manufacturing so that long-distance transport is optional and no longer a basic requirement. Revitalize cottage industries. Reverse off-shoring.
Use climate change or peak oil as a bludgeon to do so, even if you think it's fake, if that's what it takes to gets the job done.
@teknomunk @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @nugger @jeffcliff
So your solution is what every socialist nation has tried to do
@societyoutcasts @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @nugger @jeffcliff No. "What every socialist nation has tried to do" is a top-down decree on mostly unwilling people or people expecting a free lunch that can't possibly have the information needed to succeed.
There isn't the political will for that at any level.
Individuals and groups still mostly retain the ability to act in their local sphere and everthing I suggested can be done at that level, just at a smaller scale than you are probably thinking off.
I recommend the climate change/peak oil as a conversational club to use against those liberals in your area that would oppose such measures (i.e. you, someone who claims that climate change is a problem, oppose this thing that aboslutely would help?)
There isn't the political will for that at any level.
Individuals and groups still mostly retain the ability to act in their local sphere and everthing I suggested can be done at that level, just at a smaller scale than you are probably thinking off.
I recommend the climate change/peak oil as a conversational club to use against those liberals in your area that would oppose such measures (i.e. you, someone who claims that climate change is a problem, oppose this thing that aboslutely would help?)
@teknomunk @societyoutcasts @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @confederatehobo @nugger @jeffcliff Just to piggyback on that, globalism runs on cheap energy, and cheap diesel specifically. High diesel prices act effectively as a tariff on products that are far away from their point of production. This hit home this year when the price of our egg production inputs went up, maybe, 10% while the price of eggs at Walmart went up 200-300%. All of the sudden our farm fresh niche pricey eggs were (way) cheaper than what GloboPedo could do because they had to pay for the trucks to ship the eggs around the country through their distribution network. It was the same with everything, "buying local" went from a minor decision by the likes of Moneybags EvilSandmich to something *everyone* was doing.
I won't dig too deep into but there was definitely a slight uptick in community cohesiveness due to this, which makes me interested to see just how far GloboPedo will bite into their energy cost-ramp plans since it so clearly goes against their interests.
I won't dig too deep into but there was definitely a slight uptick in community cohesiveness due to this, which makes me interested to see just how far GloboPedo will bite into their energy cost-ramp plans since it so clearly goes against their interests.
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@EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @nugger @jeffcliff
That's not happening where I am. Eggs from local sources are still 2-3x the price of store bought
@nugger @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff I would say it slowly dissolved more than fell.
Rome faded away until Europe sprang from ts bones.
The History of Civilization in Europe by Francois Guizot is where I got this idea from
Rome faded away until Europe sprang from ts bones.
The History of Civilization in Europe by Francois Guizot is where I got this idea from
@monsterislandcolonizer @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @EvilSandmich @nugger @jeffcliff
Always remember where we came from
@nugger @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff Also people take "collapse" for granted and they also take for granted that the current elites will be displaced. America +100 years is more likely to be ruled by drug cartels than by White nationalists. As for the near future the current power structure is likely to remain in power, but with diminished scope.
A circulation of elites doesn't happen as a matter of course, it only happens when a more competent, better organized group of elites deliberately displace the old elites.
We are fucked
A circulation of elites doesn't happen as a matter of course, it only happens when a more competent, better organized group of elites deliberately displace the old elites.
We are fucked
@nugger @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff This problem is being directly discussed
youtu.be/VC6YOTas-_Q
youtu.be/VC6YOTas-_Q
@monsterislandcolonizer @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff I USED TO THINK THAT TOO BUT NOWADAYS I AM NOT SO PESSIMISTIC
WHITES ARE PRETTY GOOD AT FIGHTING, ACTUALLY
ITS A QUESTION MORE OF HAVING ANY SORT OF ORGANIZED GROUP OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF SOCIETY CONTROLLED BY CURRENT ELITES
RIGHT NOW THESE KINDS OF GROUPS GET FEDOP'D OR WACO'D
IN THE FUTURE -- MAYBE NOT SO EASILY
WHITES ARE PRETTY GOOD AT FIGHTING, ACTUALLY
ITS A QUESTION MORE OF HAVING ANY SORT OF ORGANIZED GROUP OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF SOCIETY CONTROLLED BY CURRENT ELITES
RIGHT NOW THESE KINDS OF GROUPS GET FEDOP'D OR WACO'D
IN THE FUTURE -- MAYBE NOT SO EASILY
@nugger @monsterislandcolonizer @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff I am not gonna die until I have felled a few boomers by my blade
@nugger @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff The most effective thing the feds ever did was accuse people of being feds.
@monsterislandcolonizer @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff UNIRONICALLY
MOST OF THE FBI AND CIA ARE FAT NEGRESSES SENDING EMAILS BACK AND FORTH PLUS LIKE A HUNDRED TRAINED CHILDKILLERS
THESE GUYS AREN'T AN OCCUPYING FORCE THAT CAN CONTROL AN AREA, THEY'RE SECRET POLICE THAT CAN DO PRECISE POINT ACTION AT ONE CULT COMPOUND AT A TIME
MOST OF THE FBI AND CIA ARE FAT NEGRESSES SENDING EMAILS BACK AND FORTH PLUS LIKE A HUNDRED TRAINED CHILDKILLERS
THESE GUYS AREN'T AN OCCUPYING FORCE THAT CAN CONTROL AN AREA, THEY'RE SECRET POLICE THAT CAN DO PRECISE POINT ACTION AT ONE CULT COMPOUND AT A TIME
@monsterislandcolonizer @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff AS FOR THE ACTUAL MILITARY THAT'S TRAINED TO OCCUPY AN AREA, LOOK HOW GOOD A JOB THEY'VE DONE IN AFGANISTAN
AND REMEMBER THE HUMPTY DUMPTY NATIONAL GUARDSMEN THAT GOT SHOVELED OUT ONTO DC AFTER JAN6
THEY DIDN'T LET THESE FAT FUCKS LOAD MAGAZINES INTO THEIR RIFLES AND HAD THEM SLEEP IN SOME UNDERGROUND GARAGE
AND REMEMBER THE HUMPTY DUMPTY NATIONAL GUARDSMEN THAT GOT SHOVELED OUT ONTO DC AFTER JAN6
THEY DIDN'T LET THESE FAT FUCKS LOAD MAGAZINES INTO THEIR RIFLES AND HAD THEM SLEEP IN SOME UNDERGROUND GARAGE
@nugger @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff Theres a reason they target mentally ill people and pseudo-militant LARP groups.
People using poast to organize a meet up at a bar or something aren't going to get infiltrated by feds because its not worth their time.
People using poast to organize a meet up at a bar or something aren't going to get infiltrated by feds because its not worth their time.
@nugger @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff Also the Oathkeepers intimidated the government into backing off when they had a standoff with the FBI in the middle of a highway during the Bundy ranch debacle. The feds went after them because they were effective. Also note that at the time of J6 the #2 in that organization was a federal agent so the infiltration was a success.
@monsterislandcolonizer @nugger @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @confederatehobo @teknomunk @EvilSandmich @jeffcliff @societyoutcasts Meeting your pocket friends irl is lame and dorky though
@caekislove @monsterislandcolonizer @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @confederatehobo @teknomunk @EvilSandmich @jeffcliff @societyoutcasts WELL I AM LAME AND DORKY BOTH ONLINE AND IRL
SO THIS IS NO TROUBLE TO ME
SO THIS IS NO TROUBLE TO ME
@nugger @monsterislandcolonizer @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff The question is how quickly those whom in better times would've been apart of the elite form there own alternative.
Groups like Patriot Front might very well play a part in this process, they have been developing over the years a tight-lipped organizational structure. That more than their activism is more useful long term.
Groups like Patriot Front might very well play a part in this process, they have been developing over the years a tight-lipped organizational structure. That more than their activism is more useful long term.
@wgiwf @monsterislandcolonizer @societyoutcasts @EvilSandmich @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @jeffcliff "THE REAL TREASURE WAS THE FRIENDS WE'VE MADE ALONG THE WAY" HAS BEEN A TRUE MAXIM FOR MOST POLITICAL ACTIVITY, PERIOD
DISSIDENT OR MAINSTREAM
DISSIDENT OR MAINSTREAM
@monsterislandcolonizer @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @EvilSandmich @nugger @jeffcliff
At this point the cartels seem better organized than the government
@societyoutcasts @confederatehobo @ImperialAgent @Ottovonshitpost @teknomunk @nugger @jeffcliff Yeah I've seen that too....well I've seen both. I don't care about being cheaper than the grocery store because I just want to get the stupid eggs out of our house*. A lot of people though just scale it against the market regardless of what their input costs are. The other anecdote I have is that the higher prices charged by the local butcher (for better product, natch) stayed largely the same while the prices for the inferior stuff from the grocery store rose to be about the same price (apart from the GloboPedo beef steaks from Mexico that taste like sadness).
*(Our plan all along was to have our own farm fresh eggs and to just charge people who buy eggs the feed costs because the other (large) expenses (coops, chickens, other infrastructure, etc.) is stuff we'd buy for ourselves anyway. I'd imagine most other small-scale farmers actually want to make money on them, which really isn't feasible. If I was able to charge $5/dozen then *maybe*. Somewhat related, the Vital Farms eggs sold at Whole Foods are the closest you can get to "farm fresh" from the grocery store (all the other ones are pretenders, work paid for me to sample them) and it looks like they're about $7/dozen around me).
*(Our plan all along was to have our own farm fresh eggs and to just charge people who buy eggs the feed costs because the other (large) expenses (coops, chickens, other infrastructure, etc.) is stuff we'd buy for ourselves anyway. I'd imagine most other small-scale farmers actually want to make money on them, which really isn't feasible. If I was able to charge $5/dozen then *maybe*. Somewhat related, the Vital Farms eggs sold at Whole Foods are the closest you can get to "farm fresh" from the grocery store (all the other ones are pretenders, work paid for me to sample them) and it looks like they're about $7/dozen around me).
That sounds like a good idea. It'd be nice to have your own fresh eggs to eat.
$7 a dozen is about the price for farm fresh eggs around here. Sometimes higher
Although not as good a product, at local grocery store 30 eggs for $9
@societyoutcasts Wow, the highest I see around here is $3.50/dz. If I could get $7/dz my chickens would have marble flooring their coop 😅
It's probably due to the difference between our currencies and local regulations surrounding growing food.
YOU STILL HAVE PLENTY OF YEARS IN YOU