@m0xee > making fun of this person isn't beneficial

Yeah this is actually one of the reasons I posted the thought. I think sometimes we see abnormal behaviors as conscious decisions. Often times I think a person exhibiting signs of mental illness is probably in pain which causes these behaviors. I have over my years gone through periods of my life where I had issues that needed resolution, but others around me couldn't see the pain I was in (half the time neither could I) and identifying those issues took years as a result.

@thatguyoverthere @m0xee Mental illness from birth also know as a psychosis is un treatable since its a physical problem with the brian. Now things like drugs can also mess with the physical brain. Whats left is all likey due to childhood.

@dcc @m0xee brains can work around quite a bit but yes there are limits to how well a person can be when actual brain damage or abnormalities exist. Most people's issues seem largely psychological though (caused by experience more than physiology).

@thatguyoverthere @m0xee This leads to my second point which is the ability to help some one with a mental illness is all on a case by case basis. The current way metal illness care is done with medicine and "therapy" neither of these have proven to be more effective than having a helping family or a friend that can help you get better.

@dcc @m0xee agreed. I think talk therapy can be useful but a healthy home environment and caring friends and family are far more important. I think most psychiatric drugs tend to cause more harm than good. They also create a false sense that the problem is physiological when most cases are not. Everything is a feedback loop and the concept of "garbage in/garbage out" applies to the mind as much as computers.

@dcc @m0xee I should add though that caring friends and family may not recognize issues correctly and sometimes having an outsider perspective can be useful

@thatguyoverthere @m0xee Also true, now here is a question for you. Is psychosis going up or is psychological going up (in numbers) for me i think is both.

@dcc @m0xee probably both. I think over the last century we've been confronted with a lot of genetic damage. Thousands of detonated nuclear bombs will do that to a species. Other environmental toxins probably also complicate things epigenetically.

@thatguyoverthere Some of it might be treatable, some might be like, following your analogy, pancreatic deficiency — digestion of this person might work mostly like the one of a healthy person, but he might supplement it by taking enzymes, this will improve the quality of life immensely — even if he/her has to take those all his life. He can sometimes live without those, but why?
I don't think that, for example taking antidepressants all your life is necessary, for some maybe it is…

@thatguyoverthere , for most — there's likely an underlying problem that is causing it. You can use medication to sort you shit out and be done with it.
Problem is, there is a wide spectrum of such illnesses, some might be treatable. some might be not, some of these people might be easily integrated, for others it will require more effort.

@thatguyoverthere Despite it being actively studied, it's still mostly terra incognita and people often fall for extremes, some might want to MAKE these people behave normal, others might demand taking them as they are — both probably aren't the solution.

@m0xee yeah there is a weird tendency to try and cast every issue to a binary solution. I think binaries do exist in nature but we seem to have a particular nack for falsely identifying them (false positive and negative)

@m0xee the problem with most psychiatric medicine is it's efficacy isn't really backed by science. Antidepressants may cause a person to tumble in the opposite direction. Until we remove the "may cause suicidal ideation" warning label I think we should look for underlying causes that can be treated less invasively.

I think in the us mental health would naturally improve if our food supply wasn't poisonous.