@jeff My exact words! Some refuse to believe because the declared goal of such "activists" is good, and it often really is — it's just what they do doesn't make them (or anyone) closer to that goal.
> sabotage on behalf of the corpos
More often on behalf of their own stupidity — corpos indeed benefit from what these people do, but most aren't even getting paid for that, they are just being played.

@jeff You're probably talking about some "eco-activism", but it works the same way for everything: fighting for women's rights isn't hating men, fighting for black rights is not hating white. It doesn't do anyone any good, it only atomizes the society and everyone loses except for those in power and corpos.

@m0xee no. all activism is state sponsored, if your movement isn't it will be shortly. that is how the war machine operates.

the solution here on that is front is currently not explored at all.

@jeff @m0xee why did you send your daemons to replace my head with a traffic cone?

@JAJAX @m0xee new VLC update just dropped i think.

@jeff @m0xee ok but why did you have to send your murder nightmare corpsefucker flame eater daemons to do it? Why didn't you send your leggy female angels to do it, hell I'd' have been ok with mice and rats they'd at least not have been screaming about eating shit and dissolving human bodies in boiling piss the whole time.

@jeff @m0xee do you know how long a human can survive in boiling piss? That's not very common knowledge, but I know it thanks to you (they told me the average is 4 minutes 20 seconds before the victim passes out, then another minute forty to actually die-- they usually fish them out at this point until they regain consciousness)

@jeff
> all activism is state sponsored
Correct, but this wasn't my point. Not everyone is being paid directly to do stupid shit — that's just not cost effective. Paying to those who can convince a lot of people to do stupid shit — now we're playing!
A lot of people are deceived into believing total garbage: okay, what I do might look like stupid shit — but I'm doing it for a good cause, I'm a good person, right?
No, you are not — just take a step back and look at that, it's still stupid shit🤷‍♀️

@jeff You're right though, the solution is not even being explored. The concept of having a clear enemy is so easy to grasp that everyone uses it to sway people — and people are just getting caught in the moment, bashing some other group that often has zero to do with their problems. Shit — even I get caught into that sometimes. Always asking yourself "Does this really make my life any better?" is hard and the answer is often unpleasant, so most just don't do that.

@jeff Sorry, I have probably digressed from your original thought — it's just another thread I'm partaking in and I'm lumping several problems together without realizing it 😅

@m0xee not everyone is paid to do activism and the ones that are work for their employer who has a perverse financial in keeping the problem alive.

@m0xee @jeff yeah most people participating in activism are probably unaware of the source of their power. But the fact that you can buy or coerce a handful of people to derail an otherwise potentially noble cause makes participation unappealing regardless of the stated intentions of a movement.

@thatguyoverthere @m0xee they aren't paid to think, they are paid to act, they are activists after all.

and boy are they good at acting

theater kids

@Owl @thatguyoverthere @m0xee you ever wonder why all those activists are from families of actors and politicians? well that may be related.

@Owl @m0xee @thatguyoverthere also, the verb here is not acting, it's doing actions.

@jeff @m0xee > if your movement isn't state sponsored it soon will be

any activist organization large enough for me to know about is likely to be an influence operation. Most probably started off with good intentions but were either paid or blackmailed into behaving.

@thatguyoverthere @m0xee dont do activism, build community incentive structures that are able to replace entire institutions. make it so that people dont need activist handouts, you are better at solving problems than they are at solving it. your goal is not to solve a problem, it is providing tools and expertise to everyone so that they can do it themselves if they wish. this is called free market capitlism, it is industrial feudalism and that's the reality of the human condition. not everyone grows up to be elon musk or a super popular streamer. what matters is making a culture to find those who can be and move them to an environment where they can. this is what higher education was before they made it into the homosexual warmonger and spycraft machine. these institutions will be replaced , it will take work and that is because work is the life of the man, the moment you stop working is when you die of old age. we have ignored this fundamental biological human truth at the detriment of entire generations.