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Really? I hadn't heard of any anti-semitic or socialist posts from him. What exactly did he say that was nazi related?
@jlcrawf @malwaretech socialism isn't Naziism please don't make me explain this to you
@Leroy @malwaretech
Sure, explain to me how the National Socialists weren't "real" socialists.
here's og joseph goebbels rubbing it in your fucking face
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm
@troglodyt @Leroy @malwaretech
Having now read the entire section titled Why we are socialists? You have dobe nothing to convince me that they were not socialist.
Let me help you, a good argument would look like, the tenets of socialism are ....., but the nazis believe ..... and they fail at socialism because ....
no you did not
it's very explicit about class peace, racial superiority and ultranationalism
@troglodyt @Leroy @malwaretech
In why we are socialist section, he explains why he ties nationalism to socialism. He does not believe that it would work without it. That does not disqualify him from being a socialist, nor does it imply that he is lying about socialism to gain followers.
Again, the simplest way to show that nazis were not socialist would be to lay out the tenets of socialism vs the tenets of nazism and show how nazism fails.
no he does not, he explains that what he calls socialism has nothing whatsoever to do with socialism, by very explicitly grounding it in a class peace, the polar opposite of the socialist 'no war but class war'
@troglodyt @Leroy @malwaretech
See, that is an example of what I am looking for. Differences between nazis and socialists.
Although, if I understood what you wrote correctly, it seems that you are trying to make the point that socialists are calling for class warfare, whereas nazis want peace between the classes.
@Leroy @troglodyt @malwaretech
That garbage aside, the only expalanation anyone has come up with for how nazis are not "real" socialists, is that nazis want peace between classes while socialists want class warfare.
If that is the only difference, that is not enough to convince me that they were not "real" socialists.
@jlcrawf @troglodyt @malwaretech read a fucking book then idk what to tell you that you're not just gonna write off. Socialism and fascism are two wildly different ideologies and the Nazis were fascists. It doesn't matter what they called themselves, I could call myself the president that doesn't make me the president. You have to look at their fucking policy choices not their naming conventions. I can't give you an entire history lesson in one reply. Just please understand you're not the first person to be this ignorant and people way smarter than me have way better answers for you just a couple of clicks away and have had these answers for a long time
@Leroy @troglodyt @malwaretech
You have yet to name a single policy choice that sets them apart. You are the one that said "don't make me explain" how they are different. I took that to mean that an explanation existed. So far, the only explanations provided were, "they lied", "they developed a ruling class", and "they wanted peace between classes".
@Leroy @troglodyt @malwaretech
As previously stated, "they lied" is not an explanation, if you do not show where the lie is.
"they developed a ruling class" is not an explanation because this always happens.
"they want peace between classes" you did not provide this argument, however, in this thread, you have both defended class warfare, then sayed that nazis don't want peace between classes, so I don't see how this sets them apart.
@jlcrawf @troglodyt @malwaretech your willful ignorance and purposeful dumbing down of concepts to fit your narrow worldview is disgusting. If you're so hell bent on defending the Nazis of all people then the only explanation is that you are one, and you'll be dealt with as such. With the block button, and with these hands if you ever find yourself in my presence
@Leroy @troglodyt @malwaretech
At no point, during this entire thread have I ever defended the nazis. You said that you could explain how they aren't really socialists, yet you have failed to name a single difference between them.
Even in your last post where you are threatening physical violence against those with a different point of view, you are showing how closely aligned with nazis, you socialists really are.
@troglodyt @Leroy @malwaretech
thanks for playing.
@jlcrawf @troglodyt @malwaretech and again, Nazis don't want peace between classes, they want to be the ruling class and subjugate the other classes. The supposed peace they have is enforced at the end of a gun and the entire system is held up on the backs of the labor those guns are pointed at
@Leroy @troglodyt @malwaretech
I am not the one that claimed that nazis wanted peace between classes, that was the argument given in this thread.
What you just descibed though sounds just like North Korea, Venezuala, China, and the old USSR. So again, hiw does this make the nazis any different?
the reason you need 'convincing' is that these terms, e.g. socialism, carry no meaning for you. they only have a shape on the screen you recognise
this is why you can look at a piece where goebbels explains why and how they are not part of the workers' liberation movement and should not be confused with communists, syndicalists, social democrats, &c., and not see how it's about distancing from socialist movements
@jlcrawf @troglodyt @malwaretech peace between classes means peace with the oppressor, which is a one way street