Breaking the phone you plan to demo with is always fun.
Fixing it, even more so!
Just need a keyboard and run 1 command.
2 hours to go https://debconf23.debconf.org/talks/61-the-year-of-linux-on-desktopwmobile/
I'm a bit concerned about the frequent power losses at the hotel though :D
I'll add image descriptions later, need to work on my slides :P
and need to go for a swim!
@devrtz
Is that a Pinephone?
@devrtz
Interesting... Is it in an usable state now? I went for the Pinephone Pro (originally ordered a Librem 5 but asked for a refund after 2 years from the order), but it doesn't have much love unfortunately. I also have the Mobian normal version, but its hardware is too weak! 
I surely watch your presentation once available!
@purism
The PPP is too weak for you?
What exactly do you plan to do with it?
For me, the primary issue is that the kernel is just not mature enough. To change that I would assume that it would take some serious dev work and mainlining to really become interesting to *me*. Of course YMMV , but if you don't care about any of that (and I'm not saying you do) I don't see why you wouldn't "simply" run sth on top of Android using libhybris, e.g. #droidian
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@devrtz
No, the normal Pinephone is too weak... The PPP would be more than enough if only it was a bit more reliable and less power hungry. For me, the whole point of using a Linux phone is to avoid libhybris altogether. I don't really like all those converted Android phones out there, not now that we could potentially have a couple of alternatives like the Librem 5 (which is definitely too expensive) and the PPP.
@purism
@devrtz
Yeah, I'm of the same idea: it'll take time, if it ever happens, for the PPP to become a viable solution, unfortunately. But considering that the Librem 5 took 6 years from the announcement to the stage that it is now, I guess is an issue of this kind of alternative phone.
In regards to the developers that like to eat, and the quantities that drive the price, it doesn't exclude the fact that 1000USD for the Librem 5 is disproportionated
@purism
>In regards to the developers that like to eat, and the quantities that drive the price, it doesn't exclude the fact that 1000USD for the Librem 5 is disproportionated
So what you're saying is I shouldn't eat? Or should eat less?
(The last one is probably **actually** true)
Knowing full well that @purism
pretty much kickstarted this whole thing, lots of other distros/phones benefiting and arguably succeeded where e.g. Canonical has not?
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E.g. the panel driver used on the PP (and perhaps PPP too - dunno) was written by @agx for the L5 devkit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
'nuff said
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@devrtz
Also, I don't take away anything from the fact that Purism did a lot of good for the Linux mobile community, and I thank them for that. I'm a fan of them, but I simply don't want/can't afford to spend all that money on a phone that is full of limitations and at the moment just a hobby for me. I wish one day we will have an affordable, fully functional Linux phone, ready for being use as such, just for what I see is not the time yet
@deedend @devrtz @purism I encourage everyone to try PureOS on the Librem 5 to judge daily usability of the Librem 5 and if it's "the time yet".
One shouldn't draw that conclusion by looking at other devices (running other distros).
A single missing one line line patch or broken driver can considerably mess up daily usability.
@agx @deedend @devrtz @purism even if the phone's software works well, mobile Linux is not the same platform as desktop Linux, for apps.
For example, I use Signal to communicate with people, and Matrix to communicate with communities.
Both Signal and Element are Electron apps, which aren't optimised for phones.
There's Flare and Fractal of course, but neither are ready to replace Signal and Element at this point.
Therefore, mobile Linux just isn't an option for me at the moment.
@julianfairfax @deedend @devrtz @purism hydrogen works well for matrix and resource usage is o.k. in chromium. I've heard similar things for signal.
Also "neither are ready" needs references on what's missing - it depends on usage pattern. Native apps like flare or chatty are making good progress. Also if it's not an option for you it might be an option for others.
It also depends on how important a switch is for someone (I myself just can't imagine running around with an Android phone).
@julianfairfax @deedend @devrtz @purism Both webkit (used in epiphany / GNOME Web) and chromium engines target mobile so while I prefer native apps too we shouldn't overlook that years of optimization for mobile went into these browser engines so they can run efficiently on phones. So I'd not dismiss webapps so easily.