RT @businessinsider@twitter.com
Officials finally found a case of a dead person voting, and it was a Republican pretending to be his dead mom trying to vote for Trump https://t.co/bb8VbK1r5K
@wjmaggos It is an iron rule of US elections that when voting is more convenient, more people vote and when more people vote Republicans lose.
Actually I think Trump brought a lot of new voters out. I welcome them. I just wish they wouldn't want to close the door behind them.
@wjmaggos @terryenglish How does one "close the door behind them?"
@Borisdpython There are large numbers of Trump devotees who at least give tacit approval of initiating some kind of coup against president-elect Joe Biden. End American democracy to right an imagined wrong. That's how. @wjmaggos
@terryenglish @wjmaggos how do you have a coup against someone who didn't win anything?
@Borisdpython The burden of proof is on you to prove he didn't win. As far as the SCOTUS, the electoral college and the popular vote is concerned Joe Biden won. For a long time I defended Trump supporters when other left wingers would call them fascists. Now I feel like a complete fool because as it turns out so many of them apparently are. @wjmaggos
can you provide a link for this claim?
https://www.azcleanelections.gov/election-security/elections-and-cybersecurity
@wjmaggos @terryenglish sure, are you still using Google to search?
@Borisdpython Access to whom? To my knowledge no voting machines have been withheld from election officials for verification of the results. @wjmaggos
@wjmaggos @terryenglish Yeah, I see the words they are saying, it's clear to me they agree they are denying access to the subpoena to the legislature who is in the sole power and right to have access to that. Secretaries of States/governors do not have any legal authority over elections they have usurped this power as part of this COVID-19 state of emergency, I don't know how this isn't clearly a partisan steal and civil court corruption.
“I believe these subpoenas are unrealistic in their timeframes, an intrusion into the privacy of our voters and want us to disregard the very statutes they created,” Hickman said. “There are real constitutional issues with these subpoenas. I look forward to when we can get some clarification from the courts.”
Republican board member Bill Gates went further, saying the breadth of information sought by the GOP-controlled Legislature was “truly extraordinary.”
“And let’s be clear what they’re looking for – as a conservative I feel strongly about individual private information ... of voters, and that information has been requested in these subpoenas,” Gates said. “I’m going to fight to protect that information before we turn it over.”
@wjmaggos @terryenglish Do you realize how crazy that sounds? If a police officer shows up at your house WITH A WARRANT and you say "this is an invasion of my privacy" well that's the point, they have a warrant, they are supposed invade the privacy because they have met the legal standards necessary. This is literally just people complaining that they lost in court.
The entire Trump fraud argument is now "people complaining that they lost in court".
This didn't go to court yet. The judiciary committee of the legislature is demanding this info from the county, and they are saying no. Now it will go to court and we'll see what happens.
@wjmaggos @terryenglish The entire fraud argument is there is fraud everywhere in the 6 key swing states and there is obstruction everywhere. You'd have to be willfully blind to ignore it, have an agenda, or unable to tell when you're reading propaganda. The goalposts have moved so much just since 11/3 we started at elections can't be cheated to yeah there was cheating but you can't see the machines to see how much because a RINO pretends to care about the constitution.
@wjmaggos @terryenglish Truly, what is the point of saving election information for 22 months if not to have it analyzed if there is a problem, and if this election is the one, when is there? Never has there been a more divided time, just let there be transparency and we can all move on.
Or...
It's impossible not to have problems in systems this large, there are laws to deal with it but there's also plenty of people willing to pump you full of "propaganda" claiming those problems are much bigger this time and the laws to deal with it either don't exist or aren't being enforced. But I'm biased.
The real work of democracy will take place after this is over. Will the people claiming a travesty try to reform the system or just make new outrage porn?
@wjmaggos @terryenglish That doesn't really hold up though, because all the people on the left who were outraged just 6-9 months ago that Bernie got completely screwed over by Dominion + Smartmatic (which is 100% true) but he didn't fight the legal battles necessary to get it resolved. Now that the outcome is a Trump loss, everyone should 'move on' and protect 'democracy' which is insanity we should be after transparency.
I haven't seen any claims Bernie lost cause of voting machine irregularities. The Iowa caucuses voted in person publicly. There was a reporting app failure that media/Pete exploited to weaken Bernie's momentum. And the party coalesced around Biden after South Carolina. It sucked but was all party/media BS. All the stuff I agree needs to change and has been unfair to Trump as well. That's worth complaining about and affects elections indirectly, but not illegal etc.
@wjmaggos @terryenglish There were a number of Democrat party members who brought up concerns about Dominion voting system integrity and how the system could easily be hacked when it would affect their preferred candidates, then they changed their tune once they needed to get behind Biden and shut up or else risk getting attacked by friendly fire for not supporting the party candidate. The "@elenaparent" from GA was a great ex that comes to mind.
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That's because Georgia passed a law requiring paper trails for electronic voting machines in 2019, exactly what she had been correctly complaining about. Did you hear that she's now receiving violent threats? These attempts at intimidation are going both ways.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voting-system-paper-trail-requirements.aspx
@wjmaggos @terryenglish @AtlasFreeman @Viking It depends on what you describe as intimidation. If the threat of being charged with sedition and treason for knowingly being complicit with law breaking is intimidation I don't really see that as a problem necessarily. This is going both ways because we're in WW3 right now, not everyone is aware of it.
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I assume you don't support death threats, which is what she is getting. But that is what happens in war, which you kinda support. And I kinda get it. If I thought the legal system was completely broken and could not be fixed, it's justifiable to want to then fix the government by force. But anybody could think that at any time. This idea was pedaled in soft form with the RussiaGate bullshit. It's inevitable in hardcore partisan medialand.
@wjmaggos @terryenglish @AtlasFreeman @Viking This is a continuation of that, Trump is being defensive both then and now, he is not running a revolution he is running a counter revolution. There is a #resistance movement against him within the federal gov, there is a Communist influence op in the media, social media, and in tech. If the constitution was respected everyone WOULD move on, but that's not is happening. We are barreling towards a police state ushered in by outside actors.
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I agree money/power incentives are fucking up everything. China is tied up in that. Their power doesn't rely on communism but everybody sucking up to them for access to their huge market. Trump/MAGA isn't immune to these incentives.
Just like in the primaries, there are two outsider movements. We'd kick the establishment's ass if we could work together. What do you think of Parler vs the #fediverse? I think this is an example of what could be.
@terryenglish @wjmaggos I disagree, I would say the burden of proof is on the people blocking access to the dominion voting machines in the 6 swing states even after having supeanoeas to give them up to be forensically reviewed