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But really, the solution Boyan presents is EXACTLY the kind of shit I wanna hear about climate change and cleaning up the environment

Actual fucking solutions

Urrgh

@coolboymew My problem with this meme is that both peole have different goals and aren't necessarily in opposition. Greta's ideas won't cause more economic devastation than not implementing them would, but even ignoring that, Greta's solutions are based off of her views, her solutions aren't based off of her views.

@mewmew The main issue is that Greta is the same old same old, an overly angry idealist that's being touted around for the fact that she's an angry convenient child. Basically, a media milkcow. But nothing nobody else didn't see 10000 times

I want actual solutions

@coolboymew so?

She's spreading awareness. It's not, and shouldn't be, her job to solve everything. Her point is that politicians are the ones who should be solving this, and they aren't taking any actions, in some cases they flat out deny it, and that needs to change.

@mewmew @coolboymew to be fair I find the science in "clientology" to be very hard to follow.

Claims made by activists fluctuate wildly and are frequently debunked in very public and humiliating ways cf. Al Gore.

Although I am sympathetic to concerns about global heating, I do not for a moment believe she can make on anything but pure faith the claim that global warming is real when even I struggle to make sense of the science.

In the end, the reason politicians "deny" global warming is because there is no convincing and coherent evidence of it, and that the predictions made in the past have been systematically debunked. It is nothing so convenient as "denial". Frankly, your first thought when someone says the word denial should be that you are being semantically manipulated.

There is also the problem of how our political system is totally fucked.

But none of this matters because we're all poor as dirt and will never be able to make a difference, so let's just post blobcats to forget about it all.

@fluffy @mewmew @coolboymew Caring about the environment is a luxury for wealthy westerners. In Africa and Asia they burn mountains of toxic plastic to recover metals, and dump barges full of trash straight into the ocean. Meanwhile we're here talking about taxing our relatively clean fossil fuel plants as if that's going to fix the problem.

@meowski @fluffy @mewmew One of my issues about it is that China absolutely needs to be fucked about it, and it probably won't

But China needs to be stopped in every single way really

@coolboymew @fluffy @mewmew I guess that's what we get for taking advantage of their low cost labor and zero environmental protections. All our oceans are gona be full of trash now, and their economy will overtake ours because we outsourced our high tech manufacturing to them.

@meowski @coolboymew @mewmew do not be so quick to render the chinese blameless and the westerners tyrants in the cheap labor exchange. The chinese, clearly, made away like bandits as the west (largely the boomers) traded their wealth for plastic trinkets

@fluffy @meowski @coolboymew I totally agree here BTW, the WTO should've required that all countries participating have good labor and climate laws (and enforce them), so outsourcing wouldn't be profitable because a "race to the bottom" would not be possible.

@mewmew @fluffy @coolboymew They'll never agree to this. Climate change is a scam. Literally freaking out about the weather. Of all the pollution and environmental stuff we should be concerned about, the damned weather is pretty close to the bottom.

@meowski @coolboymew @fluffy Climate change is not about weather.

@mewmew @coolboymew @fluffy Yes it is. You can't tell me if it's going to rain in 2 weeks with any more accuracy than a coin toss. You definitely can't predict the temperature 20 50 100 years from now

@meowski @coolboymew @fluffy You claimed it is but your second and third sentences provided direct evidence that it isn't.

@meowski @coolboymew @fluffy Weather is short term and unpredictable, climate is trends in weather over time, which is predictable.

@mewmew @coolboymew @fluffy The climate predictions have consistently, repeatedly turned out to be wrong. So no, it's not predictable. The models and the data are garbage

@meowski @coolboymew @fluffy Did you not read my big reply to fluffy?

@mewmew @meowski @coolboymew @fluffy @p you didn't provide any sources though

@karolat @coolboymew @fluffy @meowski @p sources were not necessary for my underlying point.

@mewmew @karolat @coolboymew @fluffy @p Sources aren't necessary for religion

@meowski @coolboymew @fluffy @karolat @p sources weren't necessary because the problem was not the lack of information but the poor interpretation of it

@mewmew @coolboymew @fluffy @karolat @p
I can't have another climate change discussion right now. You eco-zealots are cute and I think your heart is in the right place, but carbon dioxide is just not a concern for me. I think there are many more pollutants to worry about

@meowski @coolboymew @fluffy @karolat @p I agree, there are many pollutants that are just as concerning. It's not one or the other, they're both important issues.

@mewmew @coolboymew @fluffy @karolat @p I'll be idling my car in the driveway. Just doing my part to restore Antarctica to its former splendor

@meowski @coolboymew @fluffy @karolat @p do whatever you want, I couldn't care less

I'm just glad you're not in charge of anything

@mewmew @meowski @coolboymew @fluffy @p i'm pretty sure buyvm uses dirty energy to keep the prices down. do we know @sjw ?

@karolat @coolboymew @fluffy @meowski @p @sjw I do not care, change needs to come from a higher level to have effect.

@mewmew @coolboymew @fluffy @meowski @p @sjw you’re part of the problem

@karolat @coolboymew @fluffy @meowski @p @sjw so are we all.

This is the "you want to improve society yet you live in society" meme. I'm not going to diminish my ability to affect the world as that'll be a negative change overall.

@mewmew @coolboymew @fluffy @meowski @p @sjw idk Greta is pretty annoying. Shows kids are so unimaginative these days. If we fuck the earth up we can just go to space anyway