Rune @rune@librem.one

@HerraBRE crossed the street twice on my way home to avoid creeping out an older gentleman today...

I'm pretty sure it's just my own paranoia, don't think he even knew I was there.

@freakazoid it's probably more profitable to invite adblocking people as well since most probably know a few people without adblockers.

And might as well bitch at the adblocking people while they're visiting anyway.

@rain@niu.moe it's fairly easy to repackage stuff between packaging formats. What's hard is installing it if it has dependencies.

But it has nothing to do with the packaging format and everything to do with everyone having their own opinions about release cycles and bleeding edge vs back porting.

Even within similar distros with same package manager some packages are impossible to install.

@lightweight Thanks for the link to the great article! I wasn't aware of this general trend.

@emsenn@tabletop.social We'll see, I'm not strong in my klingon :D

Bummer I can't find the article you thought of, sounded interesting.

@emsenn@tabletop.social I think we'll see a lot of different people coming from here.

Purism has been really good at pushing the whole idea of mastodon and other services.

I'm a techie, and I had heard about Mastodon, but I never signed up anywhere.

We'll have to take the bad with the good. I'm certain wider user adaptation will give us a lot of good too :)

@emsenn@tabletop.social Those are good points, though. It's not worth backsliding for "progress".

I think it's fair to consider that a full on consensus model isn't necessarily feasible or even desirable to these admins. It would also be problematic to them if they essentially lose their moderation power on their own server to infiltrating parties.

Although I suppose a transparent process I cannot vote in would still in some way be democratic since I'd be able to go to another provider :)

@emsenn@tabletop.social You're competely misreading me :)

I completely agree there is a line that is unacceptable and I think we even agree exactly where it is.

What I'm worried about is the lack of transparency in moderators who may not agree.

That's all it is, lack of trust in opaque processes around these things.

It's hard to tell the difference between keeping orderly discourse and altering discourse for nefarious purposes if we're not allowed to see the process.

@emsenn@tabletop.social Yes, in this context we're naturally talking "everyone" in the scope of users on the specific instance. But that could still be thousands of people who may not know their feeds are under censorship.

That's not much different from people not knowing how curated current social media platform feeds are, which is one of the freeing things here.

I know it's not meant to be censorship, but that's what I fear when we start talking blanket banning other instances and the like.

@emsenn@tabletop.social definitely need to prevent unacceptable behavior.

The next question seems to be how to do it in a just way.

A few people deciding for everyone doesn't seem fair, there needs to be some possibility of discussion and consensus.

@ajroach42 @TaxDan @purism And I'd understand blocking it if something did happen.

But your original post argued #1 as if that's a reason to block it, which is why I provided my view on it.

@ajroach42 @TaxDan A fair point to be wary of, but it seems premature to blacklist based on fear of the future. That's definitely not just.

As to point #1 it seems, to me, to be an extremely toxic opinion to hold that corporate instances are bad.

@purism has done a great service for both privacy and free software movements by pushing an agenda on privacy and free software.

Do they make more money if more people like privacy and freedom? definitely. Does that make them immoral?

@ajroach42 @TaxDan As a user on the librem.one platform this hits kinda close to home.

What discussions have been had with @purism about moderation?

@szbalint #duplicati is actually fairly close to this. The creator is responsible for pushing new releases but large parts of new development is driven by community members who just open pull requests.

The actual membership of the development team is very loose with no internal communication channels or meetings.

@hund@linuxrocks.online i have the parts, a full custom key cap set that only fits the layout I created. And of course I have two prototypes of the 3D printed case but my printer can only print 70% of it.

Definitely over engineered this.