Links:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext
https://oversight.house.gov/release/final-report-covid-select-concludes-2-year-investigation-issues-500-page-final-report-on-lessons-learned-and-the-path-forward/
@newt journalists and politicians in germanistan still call this conspiracy theory 
@bonifartius @newt
I don't even see who's shooting whom here — they are different groups of people who have a hand in the game and different interests, first paper is by a scientist directly linked to this research and the note on competing interests was published in the Lancet itself, this can be found under "Linked articles": https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01377-5/fulltext
@bonifartius @newt
And the other one is a committee chaired by a republican praising Trump administration's actions: Operation Warp Speed, travel restrictions — but downplaying the importance how soon those were adopted. How unexpected that it reinforces other points of Trump's agenda! 😲
@bonifartius @newt
The Oversight report even makes such questionable statements as "Children were unlikely to contribute to the spread of COVID-19" — children were considered the primary spreaders at early stages, never once I've seen a refutation for it.
I'd be taking what either side states with a grain of salt.
Ah, the children hoax. Was never based on data. Hence no refutiation. The German scandal paper/leak talked about Urangst vom Versticken. That was around that time they just invented it.
We now know that children are either sick to the bone (and stay home) or very quickly on their legs again - vs the vax blasted, IgG4-damaged adults, who have a lagging IgG-Response, despite having higher tithers than children.
Oops.
I knoe bc our government said VERY early in 2020, well that sucks and pediatricians see no problem, school stays open while in all countries around us they had them closed far longer.
But there was no data at all. They just asked the doctors associations and they said everything normal. Which is bizarre on its own.
@CapitalB
No, this has nothing to do with vaccines or keeping schools closed down than it probably was necessary. But I still don't see how this is a hoax, even without data — and COVID isn't special in this regard, children contribute greatly to the spreat of airborne infections: in urban areas in most countries they stay together in larger groups than say people in offices, younger children aren't hygiene-conscious…
@bonifartius @newt
Yes, and once every child had that first variant, they were immune to the point of stopping the spread.
Which happened here. We were the control group.
But since nobody wants to listen I guess we just let everybody ignore us, lest they become all envious and angry.
Btw, just to be clear, forrest+trees etc.: Legally and politically a pandemic implies a MASSIVE health care system overload. When there are no children in hospitals - despite there being many so called cases - they are not a driver of the pandemic.
@CapitalB
I think you are missing my point again — we can of course argue about whether children get immune or whether it was reasonable to keep the schools closed down that long, I don't even think that we disagree on those, but that is beside my point, which is: statement like "children are unlikely to contribute to the spread of viral disease" undermines the trust in the rest of the report.
@bonifartius @newt
@CapitalB
This makes the report look biased to me and undermines the credibility of everything else in it. That was my point: not children, hoaxes, vaccines and everything else. The report did not even change my mind on the origin of the virus, I believe that it did come from the lab, not from a… pangolin bought on some market, and I did the entire time — there is a virus lab nearby, that's also just reasonable.
@bonifartius @newt
@bonifartius
Nah, I don't agree with that. It's indeed highly viral and deadly — look at earlier SARS and MERS, those were stopped early on. COVID was such a clusterfuck because WHO attempted to downplay it originally, travel restrictions should've also been intruduced early on. But no — not doing anything about it wasn't the way, AFAIR Sweden did that and later they had to admit it was a mistake and even issue an apology.
@CapitalB @newt
@bonifartius
Trump too went from "It's just a flu" to Operation Warp Speed (presented as a good thing in the report, although the vaccines have obviously failed us). I don't believe in any NWO shit — I think those were just desperate measures in an attempt to overcompensate for the failure to act early on, it wasn't all wrong, but, to put it mildly… suboptimal 😆
@CapitalB @newt
Explain to me how Millions (!) of Europeans are immune to Sars1 with a specific response, in that they had it?
Explain. If you can explain this, then we can proceed. Everything else is pointless.
Btw, the DoD decided way before there was any civil stuff going on what will happen. Recommended book re:timeline is
@CapitalB
They probably wanted to take a jab at Biden with this — keeping schoold closed down that long was probably a mistake and that would be a valid critique, however… Children indeed do not occupy hospital beds, their parents do — and their colleagues, so the real mistake was not closing the chools down EARLIER. But that was Trump's responsibility, so they wanted to avoid that and went with such a brazen statement.
@bonifartius @newt