@sysrq @enigmatico let's add a third column where it's pike talking and everything listed is plan 9 and after bell labs related appliances
@m0xee That is a free format that can be encoded and decoded with free software, so there is no problems with it.

Have the .xcf if you so desire.
@sysrq @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @enigmatico @m0xee I'm sorry, but it appears that your message isn't federating properly because you're using a gay OS like Gentoo or Arch. Have you tried being normal and using an OS like Redhat or Ubuntu?
@Forestofenchantment @Suiseiseki @enigmatico @m0xee @nyanide @sysrq ubuntu is based because of them having the gall to put amazon ads in the start menu
@get @Forestofenchantment @Suiseiseki @condret @enigmatico @m0xee @nyanide @sysrq

You people are so fucking pedantic. Just use whatever tool works for your use case so you can go do something else.

Learn to cook or bake, strengthen your irl relationships, literally anything else your autism is palpable.
@Autism_Contractor @get @Suiseiseki @condret @enigmatico @m0xee @nyanide @sysrq Fax. With the amount of time I've saved using Ubuntu instead of a soytard distro. I've learned how to make a full English breakfast. Has really strengthened my family together. Everybody looks forward to my food in the morning :transheart:
@Forestofenchantment @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee debian based distros are awful, apt is slow as fuck, packages are outdated, and these distros usually come with a shit ton of bloat that nobody needs.

I've never used redhat and i never will. there once was a guy in radare2, who works at redhat. He left the project in 2019, everything he did was awful, we're still stumbling over shitty code that he committed, that is causing problems today. I won't use a distro from a company who hired this guy.
@condret @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee "Oh noes, my repo only has the latest stable version of a program!" Isn't a serious complaint. It's an intentional design by the Debian team for a good reason. And I've had far more issues with Pacman than Apt.
@Forestofenchantment @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee it's not just that the packages are outdated, debian maintainers have the hybris to patch packages, because they believer they know better than the devs. then you get shit like this https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html

or the xscreensaver thing, where debian decided to patch away a warning, that told the user that the installed version of xscreensaver is very old and that they should update

debian shipping outdated packages has proven to be harmful for devs and a security risk for it's users

@condret
> debian maintainers have the hybris to patch packages, because they believer they know better than the devs
And that is a good thing, because software developers often assume that you want new features when you only want security updates. Updating is fine and dandy until things start breaking as a result. Backporting security fixes if good, I wish it was still more common, sadly it isn't anymore.

@Forestofenchantment @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico

@condret @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee TBF, I've only used Artix on my Chromebook and have never bothered to learn it. But apt's use of conventional words should absolutely be easier to grasp than Pacman's obtuse -Syuu crap.
@Forestofenchantment @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee you know instead of 'pacman -Syu', you could type 'pacman --sync --refresh --sysupgrade'. Nobody does that, because typing less means less typing.
@condret @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee I didn't actually know that. But the time saved by shorthand commands isn't that significant in the era of 80 WPM mechanical keyboards. In the 70s and 80s when everybody was using 10 WPM DECs? Sure, that makes sense. It's why older Unix commands are phrased as 'rm' and 'cp'. But that era has long since passed.
@Forestofenchantment @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee you're the kind of person that brings gdb instead of r2 to a reversing ctf, because you think of gdb obnoxious long commands are a great design choice

@condret
Why bother typing them in? Ask AI assistant built-into your terminal emulator to help you with that 😜

@Forestofenchantment @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico

@condret @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee and "bloat" is just packages preinstalled that you were going to install anyways. Like SSH, Libreoffice, and FFMPEG.

@Forestofenchantment
Bloat isn't software that you might need or not and that you can easily uninstall like ffmpeg of libreoffice, but thing that build an infrastructure of its own, like systemd or pulseaudio, bringing in a myriad of dependencies, adding another layer of abstraction that you might not want on this machine — or at all! But somehow distro maintainers still assume that you have to have them just for the sake of uniformity.

@get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @condret

@Forestofenchantment
I'm perfectly fine with these things when they are optional, an luckily, there are still distros that allows you to not have them, but at times it gets ridiculous — why would any application, even indirectly, depend on systemd. How can e.g. an instant messenger dictate you what init system to use.
Maintainers of distros that allow for such flexibility have to invest a great deal of effort to work this all around.

@get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @condret

@Forestofenchantment @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee it "works" alright, it works for the hypermegaglobogiga corporations that control you. Fix your shit 🔧
@prettygood @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @sapphire @m0xee GNUtards. Il est bon de savoir que vous ne changerez jamais. :lainlaugh:

Écoutez-moi. Il n'est pas normal de devoir dépanner quotidiennement les fonctions de base d'un système.
@prettygood @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @sapphire @m0xee Translation: YOU'RE RETARDED. IT'S NOT NORMAL TO EXPECT THE END USER TO HAVE TO FIX BASIC SHIT LIKE X SERVER AND CUPS.
@prettygood @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @sapphire @m0xee
"I'm not talking to you because I "won" a prior argument from a month ago." Sounds like an admission of defeat to me lmao.
@cdlp @Forestofenchantment @get @Suiseiseki @nyanide @sysrq @enigmatico @m0xee @prettygood who’s fighting? I just said I don’t wanna deal with it and that’s my entire contribution to this thread
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