idk why people hate on MacBooks so much tbh, its absolutely solid programming and media watching machine, with insane battery life to go with. I watched a 2h30m movie on 5GHz WiFi and only 12% was used.
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@munir
If you enjoy both the hardware and the software, there is nothing wrong with it, but if you don't โ€” there isn't much you can do about it. I'm a former Apple user and I simply can't stand modern Apple UIs, it's all just disgusting to me ๐Ÿ˜– I can somewhat mitigate it with hacks, but it makes the system less stable and why would I be fighting with the system that I have paid premium to enjoy?

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@munir
Either I'm paying for the product I'm pleased with, or I'm investing time into making it such, but not both.
But yes, the "overpriced" is often coming from those who have never had personal experience with their products. If you like what you get, the premium you pay seems negligible.
In addition to that, the system became quite significantly more locked down and the hardware less repairable in the recent years, so I'm never looking back.

@munir
And with the way I have my system set up, I can squeeze 4 hours of video even from a decade old HP with its tiny battery, it's no longer a selling point: with my usage patterns any more or less recent system would have seemingly infinite battery life to me.

@m0xee @munir also, you buy a mac and use it for years. So you are not throwing money more than once so it pays off. The same is not true for most windows laptops

@GNUxeava
Generally true โ€” yes. But of course there are exceptions, I've had experience with both: faulty Apple devices โ€” I'm typing this right now on an old MBP with fried GPU, and all the models they had produced that year and the next one had issues with discrete GPU, Apple admitted it only in 5 years and started a replacement program ๐Ÿคช
And there are quite durable and reliable "Windows" laptops โ€” technically ThinkPads are just that, some HP laptops also turn out to be fine ๐Ÿคท
@munir

@m0xee @munir I've only had bad experiences with hp laptops. Maybe it is the price point, but other manufacturers produce better builds for the same price. Can't say for their high end lineups like spectre. They look great in person. I've seen people use it for a few years now with no issues. Though one did complain about it getting slower but it might be windows 11 or the aging ssd

@GNUxeava
Yeah, I was talking about their business and high-end consumer lines. basically Spectre and ProBooks, the cheaper ones are indeed meh ๐Ÿคฎ Even among higher end ones there are disappointing models.
Speaking of Apple, there's also higher resell value in their devices to the point of being amusingly overrated by some โ€” some onlune ads are like: man, this machine is completely unusable in the current year and you want to sell it at half of its original price, are you nuts? ๐Ÿ˜†
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@GNUxeava @m0xee @munir i had 2 hp laptops and they were good, but these days i've heard they are awful

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