@newt
How is it dead?
This came up on my feed just yesterday: https://matrix.org/blog/2024/10/29/matrix-2.0-is-here/
And from what I see, not all these specs are client-side. Dendrite (Is it the implementation in Go? 🤔) might be dead, maybe they have just abandoned it as they don't even mention it in the announcement, lol… But the protocol itself looks pretty much alive to me, they've even redone the video calls so maybe we can have those not in Web-based clients only.
@newt
Yeah, true.
> but the code isn't developed by Matrix Foundation anymore
Wasn't it the model for quite some time already? 🤔 I mean they don't do it themselves at this point, but they might hire others to implement certain parts.
> video calls working in nheko (it's in C++/Qt)
Good! I've only used Nheko on my Windows machine — because compared to Windows even Qt doesn't seem that bad 🤭
I've seen some settings related to it, but I wasn't sure it wasn't a just a placeholder and that it works.
@meowski
You might be right in general, but I don't think it means that in this particular context, check out what they are referring to — it's about removing the block feature on account level, this isn't about censorship or lack of thereof and thus has nothing to do with free speech. Besides, most right-leaning people seem to be okay with it, but Twitter becoming bot-infested is a fact, so him "ruining it" is irrelevant to his political alignment.
@meowski
I can agree — them being politically opinionated is bad… ish, but if you think that it's bad for them to just be in a different camp, then I can't agree and like I already said it would be weird for them to support Musk even if they were on the same team: give or take Twitter is still centralised and they stand for decentralisation.
@newt
@meowski
> he's removed bots not increased them
I've seen a couple of papers that I have no reasons not to trust — both claiming that the number has increased drastically. Maybe it did improve in the recent months, I don't know.
> they just said he's ruining twitter
The "destroy Twitter" in "Elon continues to destroy Twitter" is a link to an article about the removal of block feature, or rather about limiting it to DMs only — I'm not a user and can't confirm, but it is what it is 🤷
from what i heard, they removed block but you can still mute. i also don't have an account though. "destroying" is a bit harsh just because snowflakes don't want people to be able to read their posts- again, libtards
at any rate, it's not very relevant to compare matrix to twitter in terms of centralization. they have different roles
> they have different roles
Sure they do, one is a messaging protocol and the other is a microblogging site but decentralisation is a very important core principle, if you need centralised authority either for granting you free speech (the way you see it) or to do censorship — you might not want it. I just don't see how you might want it for instant messaging, but not for microblogging, if you want something like Twitter, you'd rather be using something like Telegram.
> don't want people to be able to read their posts
What was wrong with letting people decide for themselves who can or cannot read their posts? If you think it's fine to do it to "piss the libs" — you aren't neutral, you are just as opinionated and you do not stand for greater freedom, you also want to be the one setting the rules for others — you just have a different vision of what rules should be.
> again, libtards
No matter how I look at it, I just don't see it — you might not like them for criticising Musk, but their point about the removal of feature is at least valid. Whether this ruins the platform or not is of course debatable — but it's their opinion and if you stand for freedom of speech, you should be fine with them having it.
Under this angle their being opinionated is more fair: they just express it — you might not like it, you might not like them for having such an opinion, you might not like Matrix because of it — but that won't prevent you from using it, they can't tell you how to run your server. Unlike Musk who CAN tell others what they can do. Yep, we all know why this is the case: he has money in the game, but if we admit that, let us not pretend that he's above the fray: unlike them he not only has an opinion, but has the power to influence others — that's what comes with centralisation.
And that's the way I see their article: Elon Musk removes the feature that some people might want and they don't like it, which would not be possible on decentralised platforms => decentralised platforms win. You might not like their wording, but it's still valid criticism and a valid point FOR decentralisation — disregarding that just because you like Elon Musk and they criticise his *choices* (but not his opinions) doesn't seem rational.
All in all, I'd rather be on their side here than I would be on his.
> charging money and demanding phone numbers has to have cut down drastically on it
Correct, but measures being taken does not mean they were effective. Such measures might be effective to prevent regular SPAM, but both studies I'm referring to were about disinformation campaigns — hard to verify their numbers, but again, I have no reasons not to trust it. When state/political actors are at play such measures as requiring a phone number or a registration fee would hardly be effective, unlike persons of small businesses they CAN afford it.
@m0xee @newt
The protocol is alive, but the code isn't developed by Matrix Foundation anymore. Read my post carefully. Also, I had video calls working in nheko (it's in C++/Qt) since forever just fine.