Then again, I had never uploaded anything significant onto mine. Except maybe some music, and that was annoying as hell.
Though, here's the catch. Up until iPhone 15 with USB-C, iPhones had USB 2.0. Yes, Lightning is capped at a few megabytes/s. It's faster to transfer files via Wi-Fi than a wire, which is really stupid.
@newt @joey @pesekcuy
When was the last time you had to copy something so big over to your phone than you could benefit from something speedier than a 300 Mbps wireless connection?
The only use case that comes to my mind is going on a trip, so you might want to take a few TV shows with you — but this usually doesn't happen SUDDENLY!!! On top of that, most people stream movies and they download if for offline use from the network anyway.
>I think they didn't care to go for higher throughput earlier because nearly no one needs that 🤷
This is false. People have been making 4k videos with iPhones for years now, and those weigh a metric shitload. Not to mention making backups, which would require downloading most or all of your phone storage.
The only reason Lightning existed for so long is because Apple was getting that sweet sweet 💰 from accessories sales, including from third-party manufacturers.
@newt @joey @pesekcuy
But that's the whole point — "cheapo android phones" don't have USB3 either, look at this: https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_poco_f6_pro-12992.php
It was released a little more than a week ago — it's not some niche device, and a quite popular brand.
Besides — most cheap android phones don't even have UFS 4.0 storage, there is simply nothing that could cause the overheating in them.
@newt @joey @pesekcuy
OMG, I'm the last person willing to defend Apple, I just know that a lot of these theories are utter crap.
Remember when everyone was complaining that Apple slows down old phones on purpose to motivate you to buy a new one? They indeed did limit the performance, but whether the motive is that remains to be confirmed by something else.
@newt @joey @pesekcuy
Guess what — at the exact same time when this theory took the centre stage, I had a phone — non-Apple one, that started shutting itself off because old battery couldn't provide the current to satisfy the SoC on performance spikes. If they didn't do this — people would be just complaining that their phones are rebooting randomly.
@newt @joey @pesekcuy
There is a fine line between busting Apple's bullshit — there is plenty of: very well documented and some of it later officially admitted even, and believing schizo theories about Apple earning big bux on selling $20 cables, especially considering there always were cheaper alternatives — but thing is: it might work or… might not.
@newt @joey @pesekcuy
Sometimes you have to get 2 or 3 to find the one that works for you, which makes getting the original one, that is guaranteed to work, faster and cheaper. People buy original cables because they want to save their time and money — not because AliExpress doesn't exist in their cinematic universe 😉
>The apple accessories market is likely to record a value of US$ 22.77 Bn in 2022.
Source: https://www.futuremarketinsights.com/reports/apple-accessories-market
And given that iPhone is the most popular Apple device, a huge portion of that $23Bn in 2022 was iPhone shit. Given that Apple fee was $4 per connector, that's a fuckload of money right there. Just for licensing. It's pure profit for merely using a different connector.
So, I would ask you again. Stop making stupid excuses for a multi-trillion dollar corporation that is among the best in the world at extracting profit from literally anything, including the use of proprietary connectors.
Okay, at this point you're just twisting facts in an attempt to reinforce your theory. The article you've linked actually has a breakdown of what kind those accessories are and the greater part of it are… cases and protective screen film. Then there are audio accessories, let's take a look at what kind of accessories those might be: https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/accessories/headphones-speakers
Sure, there are Lightning earbuds — just as there are USB-C ones and the ones with a normal 3,5 plug. But most of them — wireless.
What about this "power and cable" thing? It might seem that those are all lightning-related, but no — there are wireless pads, there are adapters themselves, which aren't specific to Lightning and which cost more. All in all, Lightning cables have a miniscule share in all this — and some people would still be buying Apple cables even if they used the same connector as everyone else — just to make sure it works, same as people who use Xiaomi and prefer to use original chargers and cables to be confident in them. AND there is AliExpress where you can get cheaper Lightning cables!
Let me remind you that Lightning connector was introduced in 2012 when Apple needed to replace their equally proprietary iPod connector with something smaller badly, but microUSB might have not fit the bill — because other than power delivery and data cables, there are all kinds of accessories — wireless stuff at the time was still rather flaky and video output cables so you could see your photos on a TV were still a thing. And USB-C, which, little known fact, Apple had a hand in too (https://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/ ) — it just didn't exist yet!
Sure, they might be making a few bucks off it and considering the amount of phones and tablets they sell, might be not that few — but that part that they did that only to make profits off it and that it was some grande design from the very beginning — that is probably bullshit. Of course I can't just write it off — but throughout all these years I've never seen a solid proof of it or at least something that didn't fit in the way I see things.
And don't get me wrong, I do not think that Apple is in the business for the advancement of the mankind or something of the sort — they are just another company, just as bad as every other consumer electronics maker. And being their customer for many years I know their faults all too well: white plastic which was becoming yellow and starting to crack on MacBooks where the wrist was supposed to rest, they've been selling laptops with faulty GPUs — not the chips themselves, but it was poor thermal design and poor soldering — yes, the problem that is plaguing Chinese phones of today was pioneered by apple — and I do own one of these MacBookPros, and they did admit it and started the replacement program in five years after these laptops were introduced, and GPU in mine died in a year after that — after the replacement program was over 😢 And it's not some other problem — I can even still use it if I disable the discrete GPU, and I do…
Every single MacBook that I have owned got a swollen battery at some point — which by the way never happened to any HP ProBooks or ThinkPads. These are just things off the top of my head — every more or less experienced Apple user can tell you a dozen of these stories. Being known for their great design, they have products with and outright abominable one: https://ak.kawen.space/objects/6ee8beff-f3f3-4cc5-8e10-2f03997ed5d4
So… Maybe there is no need to make stuff up more than is already known about them and maybe the connector conspiracy just does not exist? 🤷
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@newt
> Are you high?
Did we get to ad-hominem attacks already? 😏
Listen, I'm quite a boring person when it comes to this type of arguments: companies making money is of course no conspiracy, Apple using their own connector in order to make huge profits on selling cables would be a conspiracy. And going for that explanation instead of a more straightforward one — is a conspiracy theory.
@m0xEE @joey @pesekcuy
>Apple using their own connector in order to make huge profits on selling cables would be a conspiracy
Any corporation is a conspiracy. As in, a bunch of people conspire to do a thing and extract profits from it.
Furthermore, literally any and all organised groups of people are conspiracies in some form. The term "conspiracy theory" having a negative connotation is the most retarded thing that has ever happened to discourse. Next thing you're gonna tell me, Apple doesn't pay politicians or abuse copyright and patent laws, because merely thinking of this would too be a conspiracy theory.
@newt
No, I won't and like I said above, you might be right even about the connector. They did introduce this new connector and they are making some profits off it — these are facts, the part that this was the original plan is what I find hard to believe and your proof is indirect and insubstantial. There is a more straightforward explanation: USB-C didn't exist — and I go with that. Little Occam's razor thingie 😜
@m0xEE @joey @pesekcuy
Occam's Razor is a stupid argument and doesn't work half the time. Humans and human interactions are much more complex and they don't follow the simplest possible route.
> But iPhones were sold with Lightning until iPhone 15 and Apple only switched after having been forced to do so
No let's look at this from another angle: you are a loyal apple customer, you've been using iPhones for years, and in addition to the phones themselves you have a bunch of accessories that have accumulated over time. Now Apple, taking the criticism from a guy on the Internet seriously, has switched to a different connector. The guy is still not satisfied and switched to complaining about something else, but you — you have to buy some of these accessories again now. 😱
I wonder, who is of greater concern to Apple: a guy watching from the sidelines, complaining about this and that, or their loyal customer?
And yes, the most simple explanation is not always true, but you can alway come up with a more complex one, myriads of them actually — and they are also not necessarily true.
What do we do in this case? We trust the facts: something has to fall out of line to invalidate the simple explanation, Apple not switching to USB-C immediately after it was standardised doesn't.
Until such a fact is introduced, the most simple explanation goes, it might be wrong, but it clears the thinking from all the layers of bullshit that otherwise only get in the way.
And I'd maybe even criticise Apple for not switching to USB-C straight away if it didn't become clear already what a mess it is: it looks good on paper, but a standard that is perpetually extensible is trouble. And we already see it: does the cable fit? It sure does: both the phone and the charger! Does it charge the phone? Maybe? Does it charge the phone fast? Probably not.
I have this Display Dock that came with my Lumia phone that allowed to use it with external display and USB peripherals, it uses USB-C, would it work with any phone that uses this connector? No, it won't, a lot of phones do not support that, or have their own set of quirks. To make sure it works with your device is to get it from the same vendor, or at the least, from the one who was certified, so does it really matter if the connector is physically compatible?
Criticising Apple for having their own connector was perfectly understandable a decade ago, but today, with the steamy hot mess that USB-C became? You won't have my support!
@m0xee @joey @pesekcuy
>When was the last time you had to copy something so big over to your phone than you could benefit from something speedier than a 300 Mbps wireless connection?
One of the reasons I switched to using DAPs instead of listening to music from a phone was transfer speeds. So, if you ask me when was the last time I uploaded music to my player, the answer is a couple of days ago. I threw around 30 gigs of new FLACs there.
@newt
Valid point! But I prefer to just carry about 300 gigs of music with me (200 Gb SD card + some on internal storage) to avoid having to copy things over often. Sure, I throw a new album or two that I definitely want to listen on the go every now and than, but it doesn't happen too often, it's not tens of gigabytes, more like a couple — and this usually gets done in a minute or two — over wireless connection of course, I don't even have to look for a cable.
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@newt @joey @pesekcuy
I think they didn't care to go for higher throughput earlier because nearly no one needs that 🤷
Yep, there is an artificial limitation, but I think schizo theory explaining this might be false and real reasoning might be different: like preventing the flash controller from overheating having to handle such throughput.